Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[God's Truth]

You have a strange way of defining the faith of God that works in us .as if it came from us who have no power to believe.

Of course we have the power to believe!!!

You keep preaching that Calvinist tripe over the Word of God.

No I think God lovingly does the first work of drawing us to salvation. Called loving living commandments.

God draws us with loving kindness---we are drawn to Him because of Jesus dying for us and the hope of a better promise.

God doesn't do what Calvinists says and drag us to Him and put His faith in us because we can't have faith.

If you do not hear his voice and acknowledge it is his power working in us by which could do what is required .Then a person remains in un-belief. No faith not little none. And doubt is not the opposite of faith unbelief again in no faith is .

Study what it mean to both will hear the word ofGod and empower some to do it.

Again living in these earthen bodies of death suffering the pangs of hell Without him to do the first work we cannot believe Him. Believing requires doing

Why murmur rather than both hearing and doing?

Philippian 2: 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Perhaps a better picture of him would aid in understanding the Philippian 2 passage above. God doing the first works making our hearts soft

Job 11-16 My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

Can you turn him ?
Who makes your heart soft.?

You preach against God and teach doctrines from men, and you know where those come from don't you?

 

[Bill]

Of course the saved have Jesus in them.
Where do you get that I said we don't have to believe that?

There are people here teaching we don't have to do anything to get saved, not even have faith in Jesus, they teach the faith of Christ and NOT faith in Christ. They are the Calvinist false teachers, and sects like it. They say Jesus saves them before they can believe by putting HIS FAITH in them. It is a false strange teaching that goes against the Word of God.

I teach the truth about how Jesus will NOT live in you unless you do what he says to do and that we have to do more than just believe.

I was answering your facetious question the last paragraph

And that crap that they are teaching the Done movement that is so false. I read that book that guy wrote he contradicted himself in the first half of the book.

The done teaching is the one that corrupted the preacher Ravi from India Someone I used to really like listening to.

Don't worry we are on the same side. I was actually agreeing with you

 

[God's Truth]

I was answering your facetious question the last paragraphAnd that crap that they are teaching the Done movement that is so false. I read that book that guy wrote he contradicted himself in the first half of the book.
The done teaching is the one that corrupted the preacher Ravi from India Someone I used to really like listening to.

Wow, it is something I never heard of before and I have been debating for many years. Thanks for the information. It must be Calvinism with some kind of twist?

Don't worry we are on the same side. I was actually agreeing with you

Oh so good to know, so glad .

 

[Bill]

It's a little bit funny the way God works I mean honestly. The Holy Spirit draws us to the Jesus , the holy spirit is what causes Faith to grow in us .

Then we have to receive Jesus into our hearts and it is through Jesus that we are able to meet God the Father.


I say it's a little bit funny because the same things true when it comes to burdens or hardship that the Lord gives to us to deal with and he wants us to carry the cross and to do everything that we can but once it becomes too much of a burden he wants us to give it back to him

 

[Bill]

I rewrote my post to try to explain better.

Wow, it is something I never heard of before and I have been debating for many years. Thanks for the information. It must be Calvinism with some kind of twist?

Oh so good to know, so glad .

I don't think the book is Calvin I think it's something new whatever it is it's a false teaching

 

[God's Truth]

I don't think the book is Calvin I think it's something new whatever it is it's a false teaching

I'll look into it. Do you see though what Garee and some others here are teaching about we are powerless to have faith in God? They teach that Jesus puts his own faith in us because we can't obey and get faith from just reading/hearing the scriptures?

 

[Bill]

I'll look into it. Do you see though what Garee and some others here are teaching about we are powerless to have faith in God? They teach that Jesus puts his own faith in us because we can't obey and get faith from just reading/hearing the scriptures?

Faith comes from the Holy Spirit that's written in scripture itself.

But I think that we do not see it that way because we think that we are going to the scripture on our own but what's really happening is that the holy spirit is drawing us to understand about Jesus

What it says about the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus

But it's a two-way street because we also have to respond and as we find out more about Jesus we are the ones that have to knock on the door and after Jesus opens the door will you still have to receive Jesus it's not just a done deal like the stupid preaching is where all you have to do is nothing because there's nothing you can do as far as that teaching goes but that's false because you have to open the door you have to walk through the door you have to have Jesus Come into your heart.

And there's one other thing we have to do what Jesus has asked us to do which is to go out to the world to preach to be his servants to be the children of the father basically to reach out to others to do the work to Bear the burden to pray for others

We are to be the vines and the fruit of the Vine is Jesus

 

[God's Truth]

Faith comes from the Holy Spirit that's written in scripture itself.

We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message.

Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11.

But I think that we do not see it that way because we think that we are going to the scripture on our own but what's really happening is that the holy spirit is drawing us to understand about Jesus

The Bible says we only get understanding from God AFTER we believe and obey Him.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

2 Timothy 2:25 correcting opponents with gentleness. Perhaps God will grant them repentance and then knowledge of the truth.

Proverbs 1:23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings.

Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

Proverbs 3:32 for the LORD detests the perverse, but He is a friend to the upright.

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Psalm 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders, for I obey your precepts.

John 8:30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him. 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Psalm 25:9 He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way.

Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

What it says about the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus

Could you give the scripture that says that?


We are drawn to the hope because of the Word of God --telling us we are no longer excluded Gentiles, no longer excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, no longer are we without HOPE and without God in the world, see Ephesians 2:12.

See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.

We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.
Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.

The powerful message of Jesus dying on the cross for us draws us.

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

 

[Bill]

We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message.

Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11.


The Bible says we only get understanding from God AFTER we believe and obey Him.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

2 Timothy 2:25 correcting opponents with gentleness. Perhaps God will grant them repentance and then knowledge of the truth.

Proverbs 1:23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings.

Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

Proverbs 3:32 for the LORD detests the perverse, but He is a friend to the upright.

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Psalm 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders, for I obey your precepts.

John 8:30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him. 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Psalm 25:9 He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way.

Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."


Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."


Could you give the scripture that says that?


We are drawn to the hope because of the Word of God --telling us we are no longer excluded Gentiles, no longer excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, no longer are we without HOPE and without God in the world, see Ephesians 2:12.

See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.

We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.
Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.

The powerful message of Jesus dying on the cross for us draws us.

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Scripture States that the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus. Take a moment to understand what Jesus is. Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the Word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt Among Us.

All that is written is the word of God and that word of God when you receive it into your heart you're receiving Jesus into your heart

So it stands to reason that the Holy Spirit leads us to the scripture which is Jesus when we receive him in our hearts

 

[Garee]

Of course we have the power to believe!!!

Calvin who? He is not my scape goat.

When did you receive the ability to sees the unseen eternal things of the faith or understanding of God . Before he reveled it ?

God draws us with loving kindness---we are drawn to Him because of Jesus dying for us and the hope of a better promise.

Finally now you understand .God must do the first work of drawing us the same work by which he keeps us till the end

God doesn't do what Calvinists says and drag us to Him and put His faith in us because we can't have faith.

Drag . . Draw . . . 6 of one, half dozen of another.
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[God's Truth]

Scripture States that the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus. Take a moment to understand what Jesus is. Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the Word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt Among Us.

The scriptures say Jesus is God.

You though said the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus.

Can you give scripture that says that?

All that is written is the word of God and that word of God when you receive it into your heart you're receiving Jesus into your heart

We receive the Holy Spirit, who is God the Father and Jesus, for they are the same one and only divine Spirit, and we receive when we believe and obey Jesus and are saved.

So it stands to reason that the Holy Spirit leads us to the scripture which is Jesus when we receive him in our hearts

I gave scriptures that say where faith comes from, and scriptures that tell how we are drawn.

I only believe what the scriptures say.

Can you give a scripture that says we are drawn by the Holy Spirit in a different way then what I have shown?

 

[Garee]

The scriptures say Jesus is God.

You though said the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus.

Can you give scripture that says that?

Yes Jesus as the Christ not Jesus as the son of man . The Son of man was the Son of man as Jesus replied a man must be born again.

No one comes to the father who I also come to unless the father enables (empowers) Not one more or less can come .

We receive the Holy Spirit, who is God the Father and Jesus, for they are the same one and only divine Spirit, and we receive when we believe and obey Jesus and are saved.

Yes you can believe and obey do the will Both if empowered to .

Do you obey as a delight in doing the will having received the power or murmur What about me do I get any credit for doing the will of God ?

Phipi;lipians 2: 13 For it is God (Not of our selves) which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[Garee]

I gave scriptures that say where faith comes from, and scriptures that tell how we are drawn.

I only believe what the scriptures say.

Can you give a scripture that says we are drawn by the Holy Spirit in a different way then what I have shown?

Where does it come from if not of God?


AS it seems you have been showing the cart before the horse . Or I did it my way.

 

[Bill]

The scriptures say Jesus is God.

You though said the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus.

Can you give scripture that says that?


We receive the Holy Spirit, who is God the Father and Jesus, for they are the same one and only divine Spirit, and we receive when we believe and obey Jesus and are saved.

I gave scriptures that say where faith comes from, and scriptures that tell how we are drawn.

I only believe what the scriptures say.

Can you give a scripture that says we are drawn by the Holy Spirit in a different way then what I have shown?

Do you really believe what the scriptures say ? Maybe you should add to that ' you believe what the scriptures say to my understanding of them ' and that would be accurate .

Do you believe ' you can lose your salvation ' ? Because the scriptures teach that . And it is clearly laid out.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes Jesus as the Christ not Jesus as the son of man .

They are one and the same one.

The Son of man was the Son of man as Jesus replied a man must be born again.

No one comes to the father who I also come to unless the father enables (empowers) Not one more or less can come .

No such thing as a special enabling, for the people came to Jesus because they recognized what Jesus was saying the words of God and that is why they were drawn to Jesus. See the very next scripture of the one you are speaking of and misuse.

Yes you can believe and obey do the will Both if empowered to .

No such thing.
Give the scripture.

Do you obey as a delight in doing the will having received the power or murmur What about me do I get any credit for doing the will of God ?

You preach false teachings and murmur as you refuse to be corrected.

Phipi;lipians 2: 13 For it is God (Not of our selves) which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[God's Truth]

Where does it come from if not of God?


AS it seems you have been showing the cart before the horse . Or I did it my way.

I gave you the scriptures that says faith comes from hearing the message and being taught and persuaded and convinced.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you really believe what the scriptures say ? Maybe you should add to that ' you believe what the scriptures say to my understanding of them ' and that would be accurate .

That would be a lie then.

Do you believe ' you can lose your salvation ' ? Because the scriptures teach that . And it is clearly laid out.

Jesus warns us for a reason.

 

[Garee]

gave you the scriptures that says faith comes from hearing the message and being taught and persuaded and convinced.

In other works Christ does the first works? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Garee]

That would be a lie then.


Jesus warns us for a reason.

Why would it be a lie ?Don' t you offer your own private interpretation as a personal commentary of his interpretation the Bible like any human .

Only God not seen is infallible as the one good teaching master and Lord. Even Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in the place of the glory of God . We are to call no man on earth good teaching master as Lord.

2 Peter 1:19-21King James Version19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

What kind of a warning ?

How would you know when you have sinned and can return or repent .? Blood pressure? head ache? pulse rate?

 

[God's Truth]

In other works Christ does the first works? Is that what you are saying?

Could you explain your question better?