Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?

[PloughBoy]

I am rolling my eyes . ( PloughBoy, you still have that padded room, i may need it after all this )

LOL

 

[GodB4Us]

Sad, but yet , many are called, but only a few are chosen.

Can you explain Matthew 25:1-13 whereas you are not the one out to the market seeking to be filled with oil?

Matthew 25:1-13 reads to me that those who are wise that knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation was why they were ready to go when the Bridegroom had come whereas those who believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again, even if it is by just a second blessing or as another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, are the reasons why they are seen as out to the market. Indeed, some, if not many are continuously out to the market past that second blessing as they are seeking to be filled with oil again and again and again in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement & etc. for why they are obviously seen as not ready as found abiding in Him to go when the Bridegroom had come.

Course, Jesus asked those who commit fornication/adultery like that ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign Matthew 12:39 , to repent, by shunning that tongue for private use and chase no more after seducing spirts to receive after a sign by returning to their first love and resting in Jesus Christ as always Spirit-filled since salvation, in representing Jesus Christ & the Good News to man as His disciple rather than that other apostate calling.

So which representative are you seeking to be? What specific kind of disciple do you wish to be identified with? The Lord Jesus Christ Himself in seeking His glory, or something else in His name? You cannot do both.

 

[Bill]

You are saying Jesus didn't come and teach and die for a New Covenant?

And? What is your point?

There is nowhere in the passage about not having enough witnesses.

The New Covenant is about coming to the Father by forgiveness through Jesus first. That is about the New Covenant. The Old Covenant wasn't about forgiveness through Jesus.

You are right to say in the passage about the stoning, it doesnt talk about needing 2 witnesses. But if you stop looking at one liners and apply the knowledge of the Laws , it is there that you will find it.

As 'Complete' stated in Due. 17.6

 

[PloughBoy]

I know this is going to be above a lot of people heads but not all. Here it goes.

15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, sothat, since a death has taken placefor the redemption of the violationsthat were committed under the firstcovenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16For where there is a covenant, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when people are dead, for it is NEVER ENFORCED while the one who made it LIVES. 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inauguratedwithout blood. 19For when everycommandment had been spokenby Moses to all the peopleaccording to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOODOF THE COVENANT WHICHGOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled boththe tabernacle and all the vesselsof the ministry with the blood.22And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the sheddingof blood there is no forgiveness.

23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with thesethings, but the heavenly thingsthemselves with better sacrificesthan these. 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made by hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25norwas it that He would offer Himselfoften, as the high priest enters the Holy Place year by year with bloodthat is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to sufferoften since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And justas it is destined for people to dieonce, and after this comesjudgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sinsof many, will appear a second timefor salvation without reference to sin to those who eagerly await Him.

Christ had not yet die, when he told the women in his “Humanity” “neither do I”. “the New Testament” had not come into existence. It had to be “Ratified”. By the death of “The Tester” before it could be valid .
HE cannot deny Himself and “Scripture cannot be Broken”. No matter how much “Satan” tries to break it, “it cannot be Broken”

 

[PloughBoy]

Can you explain Matthew 25:1-13 whereas you are not the one out to the market seeking to be filled with oil?

Matthew 25:1-13 reads to me that those who are wise that knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation was why they were ready to go when the Bridegroom had come whereas those who believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again, even if it is by just a second blessing or as another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, are the reasons why they are seen as out to the market. Indeed, some, if not many are continuously out to the market past that second blessing as they are seeking to be filled with oil again and again and again in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement & etc. for why they are obviously seen as not ready as found abiding in Him to go when the Bridegroom had come.

Course, Jesus asked those who commit fornication/adultery like that ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign Matthew 12:39 , to repent, by shunning that tongue for private use and chase no more after seducing spirts to receive after a sign by returning to their first love and resting in Jesus Christ as always Spirit-filled since salvation, in representing Jesus Christ & the Good News to man as His disciple rather than that other apostate calling.

So which representative are you seeking to be? What specific kind of disciple do you wish to be identified with? The Lord Jesus Christ Himself in seeking His glory, or something else in His name? You cannot do both.

That de-nominational languages does not fit me. But The universal “Theological” Language does. For you must come up, into catholic. [universal].

 

[Bill]

I know this is going to be above a lot of people heads but not all. Here it goes.

15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, sothat, since a death has taken placefor the redemption of the violationsthat were committed under the firstcovenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16For where there is a covenant, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when people are dead, for it is NEVER ENFORCED while the one who made it LIVES. 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inauguratedwithout blood. 19For when everycommandment had been spokenby Moses to all the peopleaccording to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOODOF THE COVENANT WHICHGOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled boththe tabernacle and all the vesselsof the ministry with the blood.22And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the sheddingof blood there is no forgiveness.

23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with thesethings, but the heavenly thingsthemselves with better sacrificesthan these. 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made by hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25norwas it that He would offer Himselfoften, as the high priest enters the Holy Place year by year with bloodthat is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to sufferoften since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And justas it is destined for people to dieonce, and after this comesjudgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sinsof many, will appear a second timefor salvation without reference to sin to those who eagerly await Him.

Christ had not yet die, when he told the women in his “Humanity” “neither do I”. “the New Testament” had not come into existence. It had to be “Ratified”. By the death of “The Tester” before it could be valid .
HE cannot deny Himself and “Scripture cannot be Broken”. No matter how much “Satan” tries to break it, “it cannot be Broken”

You said it better than i. But that was the point i tried explaining when i said Jesus had to follow the Law of the Old Testiment.

He Himself stated, that He had NOT YET been revealed . With exceptions who knew Him ( mom, step dad, cousin, aunt, uncle)

 

[GodB4Us]

That de-nominational languages does not fit me. But The universal “Theological” Language does. For you must come up, into catholic. [universal].

Are you Catholic then as in of the Catholic Church? I have heard of the Protestant's rationalization of using the terms "Catholic Church" in the creeds as being universal, but since you are deferring from denominations, I have to ask for clarity,

 

[PloughBoy]

Can you explain Matthew 25:1-13 whereas you are not the one out to the market seeking to be filled with oil?

Matthew 25:1-13 reads to me that those who are wise that knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation was why they were ready to go when the Bridegroom had come whereas those who believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again, even if it is by just a second blessing or as another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, are the reasons why they are seen as out to the market. Indeed, some, if not many are continuously out to the market past that second blessing as they are seeking to be filled with oil again and again and again in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement & etc. for why they are obviously seen as not ready as found abiding in Him to go when the Bridegroom had come.

Course, Jesus asked those who commit fornication/adultery like that ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign Matthew 12:39 , to repent, by shunning that tongue for private use and chase no more after seducing spirts to receive after a sign by returning to their first love and resting in Jesus Christ as always Spirit-filled since salvation, in representing Jesus Christ & the Good News to man as His disciple rather than that other apostate calling.

So which representative are you seeking to be? What specific kind of disciple do you wish to be identified with? The Lord Jesus Christ Himself in seeking His glory, or something else in His name? You cannot do both.

Why would I have to explain something that is plainly explained?
And if it is plainly explained, I am also “commanded”

NASB 1977
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

That would be a violation, if I was dis-obedient. “My Sheep” hears my voice and they will follow me, they will not hearken unto another. You ain’t talking to “Eve”.

 

[Bill]

Can you explain Matthew 25:1-13 whereas you are not the one out to the market seeking to be filled with oil?

Matthew 25:1-13 reads to me that those who are wise that knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation was why they were ready to go when the Bridegroom had come whereas those who believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again, even if it is by just a second blessing or as another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, are the reasons why they are seen as out to the market. Indeed, some, if not many are continuously out to the market past that second blessing as they are seeking to be filled with oil again and again and again in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement & etc. for why they are obviously seen as not ready as found abiding in Him to go when the Bridegroom had come.

Course, Jesus asked those who commit fornication/adultery like that ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign Matthew 12:39 , to repent, by shunning that tongue for private use and chase no more after seducing spirts to receive after a sign by returning to their first love and resting in Jesus Christ as always Spirit-filled since salvation, in representing Jesus Christ & the Good News to man as His disciple rather than that other apostate calling.

So which representative are you seeking to be? What specific kind of disciple do you wish to be identified with? The Lord Jesus Christ Himself in seeking His glory, or something else in His name? You cannot do both.

The Apostles knew, accepted, believed, were baptized. Experienced the Messiah. Yet not filled with the Holy Spirit until Penticost. Why?

And if scripture isnt clear enough, that accepting Jesus as Lord and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit are 2 separate events. Why then does John the Baptist refer to them this way.

Futher proof, John got them in reverse. Baptised with the Holy Spirit before birth

 

[Bill]

Are you Catholic then as in of the Catholic Church? I have heard of the Protestant's rationalization of using the terms "Catholic Church" in the creeds as being universal, but since you are deferring from denominations, I have to ask for clarity,

The word " catholic " means universal church btw. Just thought you would like to know.

(PloughBoy, so you Do like playing with fire.) ( )

 

[PloughBoy]

Are you Catholic then as in of the Catholic Church? I have heard of the Protestant's rationalization of using the terms "Catholic Church" in the creeds as being universal, but since you are deferring from denominations, I have to ask for clarity,

Let me tell you one thing! I ain’t your “Dictionary” or your Squire, or your amanuensis. Are you not a Biblical Scholar? If your are why are asking me a grade question?

Are you taunting me?

 

[Bill]

Stupid eye rolling emoji

 

[PloughBoy]

The word " catholic " means universal church btw. Just thought you would like to know.

(PloughBoy, so you Do like playing with fire.) ( )

LOL

 

[GodB4Us]

Why would I have to explain something that is plainly explained?
And if it is plainly explained, I am also “commanded”

NASB 1977
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

That would be a violation, if I was dis-obedient. “My Sheep” hears my voice and they will follow me, they will not hearken unto another. You ain’t talking to “Eve”.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

So, you do not want to give an answer to edify others and not just me, regarding that parable?

Then why are you here at all? Since any answers you have been giving, isn't exactly given to believers likeminded with you, right?

Since you have been answering in "sport" of others, then be a good sport for the Lord & answer anyway for others that may be likeminded with you in reading this. Otherwise, you come across to them, and not just me, as if you have no answer.

But hey. Do whatever you want, but make sure your lack thereof is really for the Lord.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

See what the Lord led me to do here below?

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

So feel free to share what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 25:1-13 or don't, in representing Him in the forum at "Talk Jesus".

 

[God's Truth]

One can apply what Jesus said in John 8:16 as referring to judging works as evil as He did in John 7:7 whereas John 3:17 testify why He could not condemn her because she was already condemned per John 3:18 as a sinner, as He was sent into the world to save sinners. When she said Lord unto Him, this woman caught in adultery apparently heard enough about Jesus to recognize that a miracle has happened for why she was not stoned to death, and she saw Him as Lord for why the Lord said neither does He condemn her because she called Him Lord, believing in Him for what has just happened.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

So I say that at that time, Jesus was fulfilling the Father's will for what He was sent to do; not to condemn the world, i.e. sinners, but to save them.

Jesus came to make a New Covenant.

 

[GodB4Us]

The Apostles knew, accepted, believed, were baptized. Experienced the Messiah. Yet not filled with the Holy Spirit until Penticost. Why?

And if scripture isnt clear enough, that accepting Jesus as Lord and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit are 2 separate events. Why then does John the Baptist refer to them this way.

Futher proof, John got them in reverse. Baptised with the Holy Spirit before birth

Jesus explained to Nicodemus when the born again of the Spirit was to take place which is after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for when any one who believes in Him that gets eternal life.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Again He says...

John 7:36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come? 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

His ascension into Heaven was when He was glorified, as His disciples worshipped Him afterwards, but note again His reference to the promise from the Father regarding the Holy Ghost at their slavation moment.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. 50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

That promise of the forever indwelling holy Ghost was to be sent by the Father when Jesus was no longer with them but have gone to the Father above.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.....

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[Bill]

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

So, you do not want to give an answer to edify others and not just me, regarding that parable?

Then why are you here at all? Since any answers you have been giving, isn't exactly given to believers likeminded with you, right?

Since you have been answering in "sport" of others, then be a good sport for the Lord & answer anyway for others that may be likeminded with you in reading this. Otherwise, you come across to them, and not just me, as if you have no answer.

But hey. Do whatever you want, but make sure your lack thereof is really for the Lord.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

See what the Lord led me to do here below?

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

So feel free to share what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 25:1-13 or don't, in representing Him in the forum at "Talk Jesus".

I understand PloughBoy. And for myself sometimes it is like being in a class room in college, as he goes into such depth that many can not comprehend .

He is trying to teach and share . But because so many here do not bother with the fulness of scripture and history, it is darn near impossible to get any points across.

Knowledge and wisdom and understanding come from God.

As i stated somewhere. There are levels of scripture. Some take it at face value, the literary Word. And others who delve into the Word at great length

 

[GodB4Us]

Jesus came to make a New Covenant.

What is that New Covenant? I had shared this with you earlier but maybe you will see His words better when you find the scripture to copy & paste it here in reply as this New Covenant is God telling us what He will do and all He really asks from us is to believe Him.

 

[God's Truth]

You are right to say in the passage about the stoning, it doesnt talk about needing 2 witnesses. But if you stop looking at one liners and apply the knowledge of the Laws , it is there that you will find it.

As 'Complete' stated in Due. 17.6

We can't add to the scripture things that aren't there. What we know is that Jesus came to teach a New Covenant.

 

[Bill]

Jesus explained to Nicodemus when the born again of the Spirit was to take place which is after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for when any one who believes in Him that gets eternal life.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Again He says...

John 7:36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come? 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

His ascension into Heaven was when He was glorified, as His disciples worshipped Him afterwards, but note again His reference to the promise from the Father regarding the Holy Ghost at their slavation moment.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. 50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

That promise of the forever indwelling holy Ghost was to be sent by the Father when Jesus was no longer with them but have gone to the Father above.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.....

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Apostles were with Jesus when He Ascended, they did not get the Baptism immediatly after. So try that again, please