Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?

[GodB4Us]

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law?
Circumcision was the sign in the flesh that someone was in a Covenant with God and that they did the other purification works of the law.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Question; #1 Can you apply verse one to your testimony that you are not entangle again in a yoke of bondage when you say you are under a pledge?

Question; #2 If the act of circumcision requires the person to do the whole law in verse 3, then where does making a pledge to God falls under?

Question; #3 If a believer made a pledge to God as you say and then backslide or breaks it, is there any condemnation, and if so, does verse 4 testify that seeking to be justified by keeping that pledge, he has fallen from grace?

You are confusing the old law's purification works of the law with obeying anything.

Not sure when Galatians 5:3 seems to testify about doing the whole law if a believer gets circumcision. It has to mean more than just seeking purification works of the law by it.

Not quite sure what you are saying.
Let me say again, we have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.
We have to believe that we have obey.

I believe all He expects from us in obeying Him is to believe Him. This pleases God more than anything else when we take Him at His word like a child would for why little children are free to come to Him as such is the kingdom of Heaven.

The old law had the purification works of the law to atone for one's soul.
The people had to do those works to justify themselves before God.
We don't have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore, but we still have to obey and repent of our sins.

The Jews used to be able to boast in the purification works of the law.

Galatians 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.

But men can boast in the flesh when they keep a pledge, promise, or a commitment as the keeping of them is to their glory, not the Lord's glory where we are to live by faith in Him & all His promises to us that He will help us to follow Him as the Good Shepherd He is..

I have so much to say to you about Abraham. Too much in this post and in this thread. Maybe we can make threads about these very important things.

Okay, Lord be willing.

You are so off course.

Maybe you should start a thread on James chapter 2 and explain to me what is going on, since I have already explained my reading of it to you that James was addressing the church disrespecting the poor and were even issuing faith in God's Providence TO the poor to get out of helping the poor after church service.

Faith alone is dead. Period.

If a church is going to issue faith in God's providence to the poor, then the church better lead by example by sharing from the bounty collected at church service to meet the immediate needs of the poor that were about to perish from the elements and starvation, otherwise in the eyes of the poor, the church's faith in God to provide is dead in the eyes of the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence will not "profit" the poor nor "save" the poor.

Even the demons believe and do something, they shudder!

Still, James was rebuking the church for issuing faith in God to provide for the poor without leading by example to the poor for why the church's faith in God to provide is dead.

It is NOT as you say, it is not just about poor people. What are you talking about? You are trying to get around the truth in defense of false teachers teachings.

I am asking you to take pause because form the beginning of chapter 2, James went off on the church for disrespecting the poor.

As I said before, make a thread about Abraham and faith.

Hmmm.. Got 14 alerts and not sure if I am going to remember that when I get done or if the coming storm knocks me off line.

People need to be taught that sex before marriage is a sin.

I agree. The church should be doing that as part of discipling other believers.

We must know what we are repenting of---what we will give up---for God.

If you don't know, then you can't say you will follow God.

How many works of iniquities are the Catholic Church involved in?

How many Protestant Churches that carry over those dead works have yet still to depart from those dead works?

How can you expect sinners to know everything that is sin to repent of before coming to Jesus Christ to believe in Him to be saved when not very many believers are abiding in Him as His disciples, albeit they are still saved?

 

[GodB4Us]

Jesus tells us how to get saved, and it is about repent of sins. We have to do what Jesus says, his words are Spirit and life. We have to trust God and not think we know better.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

#1 Is how & when one born again of the Spirit is to occur after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for whenever any one believes in Him to be saved??

No way were the Galatians foolish for thinking they had to obey Jesus. They were foolish because they were talked into doing the old works of the law, like getting circumcised in the flesh.

Let's go back a chapter because Paul is addressing more than just circumcision here.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If man could make himself good & to do good by simply making a pledge to God, then how is that not seeking to be justified by the law as if righteousness can be obtained by the law by just imply you keeping that pledge?

What? Of course we are to be imitators of the way he lived.

I put my confidence in Him to finish His work in me so by my faith in him is how I am following Him. Philippians 1:6 2 Timothy 4:18 Jude 1:24-25

He teaches us of what to do to get saved.

Then apply John 3:7-18 on how one is born again by simply believing in Him is how we are saved.

We have to do what he says to do that is how we follow him.

I see His commandments but I am relying on him to help me to do it. I believe Him, I trust Him, and I hope in Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him.

That scripture means that the enemy Gentiles who did not get circumcised and come into a covenant with God...that Jesus saved them and didn't make them get circumcised before he would save them.

??? Here it is again; Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

No such thing as being saved by faith alone, for it is dead.

I can only hope the Lord will help you see that James was not talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation as if requiring works but the church's faith in God's Providence does when issuing that faith to the poor.

All the scriptures that say to believe, they don't nullify the scriptures that say to obey.
We have to believe that we have to obey Jesus.

How can we do the works of God?

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

An altar call? That is your denomination's lingo.

No longer part of any denomination. Jesus Christ is my Good Shepherd & Friend to help me to follow him in these latter days when faith is hard to find.

When a person wants to be saved, they go to God through Jesus, and they have come to the throne of God.

According to Jesus words to Nicodemus, anyone that believes in Him is saved for that is how they are born again of the Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Question; #1 Can you apply verse one to your testimony that you are not entangle again in a yoke of bondage when you say you are under a pledge?

As I said before, the yoke of bondage was to the old works of the law, which are to get circumcised in the flesh, to adhere to a dietary law, to observe special days, to do various external baths, to go to the temple, to depend on priests, and sacrifice animals, and to obey these works every day of your life day in and day out as long as you live.

Now for you asking me if pledging to God through Jesus that I will die to the sins of the world and live to please him is a dreadful slavery---

Paul says we are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. Which do you choose?

Romans 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

See also Romans 6:18; Romans 6:22; 1 Corinthians 7:22; 2 Timothy 2:24; Ephesians 6:6.

We were bought.

1 Corinthians 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

Question; #2 If the act of circumcision requires the person to do the whole law in verse 3, then where does making a pledge to God falls under?

You do know there is a new law don't you? Answer that first?

Question; #3 If a believer made a pledge to God as you say and then backslide or breaks it, is there any condemnation, and if so, does verse 4 testify that seeking to be justified by keeping that pledge, he has fallen from grace?

To be justified by the works of the old law are to try to be justified by the purification works of the law.

Jesus fulfilled the purification works of the law, and we are to believe he purifies us now.

Making a pledge to God to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus is how we get saved.
You don't know that when you get saved you come into a covenant with God?
Do you know the new covenant of God involves training yourself and working out your salvation, and repenting of your sin and having mercy and forgiveness?

 

[God's Truth]

Not sure when Galatians 5:3 seems to testify about doing the whole law if a believer gets circumcision. It has to mean more than just seeking purification works of the law by it.

Paul is saying that if the Galatians, who were talked into observing special days, and getting circumcised---that they are now required to obey the whole law, which means they have to adhere to the old law’s dietary law, do the various external baths, go to the temple and the priests and sacrifice animals.

I believe all He expects from us in obeying Him is to believe Him.

Oh no, I can hardly believe you said that. Faith alone is dead.

This pleases God more than anything else when we take Him at His word like a child would for why little children are free to come to Him as such is the kingdom of Heaven.

You think believing pleases God more than anything?
You do know the parable of the two sons, don't you? See Matthew 21:28-32.

As for becoming as a little child to enter, Jesus is telling us to be ready to do everything our Father says to do.

Jesus says to obey to remain in his love, just as he obeyed his Father and remains in his love. Does that sound like God just wants us to believe?

John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love.

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But men can boast in the flesh when they keep a pledge, promise, or a commitment as the keeping of them is to their glory, not the Lord's glory where we are to live by faith in Him & all His promises to us that He will help us to follow Him as the Good Shepherd He is..

No such thing is it ever wrong to humble yourself and obey Jesus.
The SCRIPTURES show that they boasting was in the old purification works of the law, like circumcision in the flesh. The pharisees could brag about how many foreskins they cut.

Okay, Lord be willing.

Amen.

Maybe you should start a thread on James chapter 2 and explain to me what is going on, since I have already explained my reading of it to you that James was addressing the church disrespecting the poor and were even issuing faith in God's Providence TO the poor to get out of helping the poor after church service.

I am so glad to do that. I will make one thread about James, and another thread about Abraham. God willing.

If a church is going to issue faith in God's providence to the poor, then the church better lead by example by sharing from the bounty collected at church service to meet the immediate needs of the poor that were about to perish from the elements and starvation, otherwise in the eyes of the poor, the church's faith in God to provide is dead in the eyes of the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence will not "profit" the poor nor "save" the poor.

It isn't just about helping the poor, it is about faith alone being dead and not saving anyone. I even gave you scripture about Rehab, and I can give you more about faith with right action. Here are the scriptures about faith and right actions, and they don't include giving food to the poor:

James 2:20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless d ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.


See that? Abraham’s faith is NOT on its own. Abraham FAITH was credited to him as righteous---BECAUSE IT WAS COUPLED WITH RIGHT ACTION/OBEDIENCE.

Hmmm.. Got 14 alerts and not sure if I am going to remember that when I get done or if the coming storm knocks me off line.

How is it going with the storm?

How many works of iniquities are the Catholic Church involved in?

What do you mean?

How many Protestant Churches that carry over those dead works have yet still to depart from those dead works?

What are you calling dead works?
Dead works are the old laws works since Jesus. Dead works are also sins that lead to death.

How can you expect sinners to know everything that is sin to repent of before coming to Jesus Christ

You don't think the Bible tells them? We are told what is a sin.

to believe in Him to be saved when not very many believers are abiding in Him as His disciples, albeit they are still saved?

What do you mean not abiding in Him? To be saved is to have Jesus abiding in you and you in him. We abide in him by obeying him, and he lives in us by our obeying him.

 

[God's Truth]

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

#1 Is how & when one born again of the Spirit is to occur after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for whenever any one believes in Him to be saved??

We are born again by obeying Jesus' words.

That is how we are washed and receive his Spirit.



Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Let's go back a chapter because Paul is addressing more than just circumcision here.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

See that? Peter would not eat with uncircumcised Gentiles after some Jews came along and he was afraid what they would do to him for breaking the old law.

If man could make himself good & to do good by simply making a pledge to God, then how is that not seeking to be justified by the law as if righteousness can be obtained by the law by just imply you keeping that pledge?

You have a hard time separating the old law and recognizing that there is a new law. Do you know that we have a new law?

Jesus saves those he accepts, and he accepts those who fear God and do right.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

I put my confidence in Him to finish His work in me so by my faith in him is how I am following Him. Philippians 1:6 2 Timothy 4:18 Jude 1:24-25

Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone. We have to confess our sins and repent of them.

After Jesus accepts us by our faith in his shed blood on the cross, the Father and Jesus make their home in our heart.

We are purified, perfect, and holy, and a new born again person, with no sin. Then, we are to live up to that, and work out our salvation and train ourselves.

Philippians 3:16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

Then apply John 3:7-18 on how one is born again by simply believing in Him is how we are saved.

Jesus doesn't tell us to believe and nothing else.

I see His commandments but I am relying on him to help me to do it. I believe Him, I trust Him, and I hope in Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him.

Right. We still have to confess and repent of our sins to get saved. Jesus is going to make his home in your heart, do you really think he is going to do that if you don't have any idea what sin is and that you repent of them?

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

??? Here it is again; Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

I can only hope the Lord will help you see that James was not talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation as if requiring works but the church's faith in God's Providence does when issuing that faith to the poor.

There is no way that is all it is about giving when you can give.

How can we do the works of God?

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

We are to believe that we have to obey Jesus. The people who believed in God, who had faith in God, they belonged to God, and now to remain God's, they have to go thought Jesus. They had to believe that they know have to do what Jesus says.

John 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

No longer part of any denomination. Jesus Christ is my Good Shepherd & Friend to help me to follow him in these latter days when faith is hard to find.

It sounds though like you are just not going to the denomination, but you still have their beliefs.

According to Jesus words to Nicodemus, anyone that believes in Him is saved for that is how they are born again of the Spirit.

We are born again by obeying Jesus' words.

That is how we are washed and receive his Spirit.

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

 

[God's Truth]

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Question; #1 Can you apply verse one to your testimony that you are not entangle again in a yoke of bondage when you say you are under a pledge?

Here is another scripture I wanted to bring up to you about slaves...

Colossians 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

 

[GodB4Us]

As I said before, the yoke of bondage was to the old works of the law, which are to get circumcised in the flesh, to adhere to a dietary law, to observe special days, to do various external baths, to go to the temple, to depend on priests, and sacrifice animals, and to obey these works every day of your life day in and day out as long as you live.

Now for you asking me if pledging to God through Jesus that I will die to the sins of the world and live to please him is a dreadful slavery---

Paul says we are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. Which do you choose?

Romans 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

See also Romans 6:18; Romans 6:22; 1 Corinthians 7:22; 2 Timothy 2:24; Ephesians 6:6.

We were bought.

1 Corinthians 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

You do know there is a new law don't you? Answer that first?

@PAH

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Believing Jesus Christ for everything is the first law now. it is by trusting Him for even the love we need to love one another, even our enemies is how we do love others.

Making pledges speaks of us when we keep them and it is to our credit & our glory, but not to His credit nor His glory. Giving grace to ourselves when we break those pledges as if God will continue to give grace & permit us to keep on trying is making Christ a minister of sin which God forbids.

It is a false witness to speak of oneself in seeking our own glory.

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man:

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

To be justified by the works of the old law are to try to be justified by the purification works of the law.

Jesus fulfilled the purification works of the law, and we are to believe he purifies us now.

Making a pledge to God to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus is how we get saved.
You don't know that when you get saved you come into a covenant with God?
Do you know the new covenant of God involves training yourself and working out your salvation, and repenting of your sin and having mercy and forgiveness?

Making a pledge to God to die to the sins of the world could have been made before Christ had come, and so if the Jews could not do that then, why now as if we can finish by the flesh by keeping a pledge?

This is why it is written that the just shall live by faith and have no confidence in our flesh to do God's work in us or through us..

Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

I do verse 14 by faith in Jesus Christ to help me to do this. He is doing a very good job as my Good Shepherd in keeping my eyes on Him in serving Him in seeking His glory and nothing ese in His name during the storms of my life.

So what are you all placing your faith, hope, confidence and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to do for you today?

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 

[Bill]

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law?
Circumcision was the sign in the flesh that someone was in a Covenant with God and that they did the other purification works of the law.


You are confusing the old law's purification works of the law with obeying anything.

Not quite sure what you are saying.
Let me say again, we have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.
We have to believe that we have obey.

The old law had the purification works of the law to atone for one's soul.
The people had to do those works to justify themselves before God.
We don't have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore, but we still have to obey and repent of our sins.

The Jews used to be able to boast in the purification works of the law.

Galatians 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.



I have so much to say to you about Abraham. Too much in this post and in this thread. Maybe we can make threads about these very important things.

You are so off course.

Faith alone is dead. Period.

Even the demons believe and do something, they shudder!

It is NOT as you say, it is not just about poor people. What are you talking about? You are trying to get around the truth in defense of false teachers teachings.

As I said before, make a thread about Abraham and faith.

People need to be taught that sex before marriage is a sin.

We must know what we are repenting of---what we will give up---for God.

If you don't know, then you can't say you will follow God.

Faith alone is what brings you to Jesus. But in that faith alone experience is where many are already recognizing thier fallen human nature ( at least all who i have encountered were in that state of mind ) .

When Jesus comes to them they can still reject Jesus. ( i have seen that too, once )

It takes work or an action to recieve Jesus. To accept Him as God.

We have to recieve Jesus, it may happen first only in the mind. But it is in our hearts where the true faith resides.

We are to become the Children of God. A Jew so to speak.

That is why it is written in scripture , the true circumcision is in your heart.

 

[God's Truth]

Faith alone is what brings you to Jesus.

Faith alone is dead.

But in that faith alone experience is where many are already recognizing thier fallen human nature ( at least all who i have encountered were in that state of mind ) .

And they better do something about it, like do what Jesus says to do.

When Jesus comes to them they can still reject Jesus. ( i have seen that too, once )

It takes work or an action to recieve Jesus. To accept Him as God.

We have to recieve Jesus, it may happen first only in the mind. But it is in our hearts where the true faith resides.

Jesus has to accept us too.

We are to become the Children of God. A Jew so to speak.

That is why it is written in scripture , the true circumcision is in your heart.

We have to do what Jesus says to do, he tells us how to be the one he saves.
He says to change and be like a little child. A little child is ready to do whatever they parent says to do.
He says to humble yourself and repent.
Jesus says we will never enter unless we do that.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus says repent or perish, not believe and then repent after you are saved.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

 

[God's Truth]

@PAH


Believing Jesus Christ for everything is the first law now. it is by trusting Him for even the love we need to love one another, even our enemies is how we do love others.

We have to trust what he says, which means we have to do what he says.

Making pledges speaks of us when we keep them and it is to our credit & our glory, but not to His credit nor His glory. Giving grace to ourselves when we break those pledges as if God will continue to give grace & permit us to keep on trying is making Christ a minister of sin which God forbids.

You don't know the New Covenant is a pledge, a contract, a legal contract?
You are not to break the rules of the Covenant. However, the Covenant says that if you break a rule...according to the Covenant, you are to repent of it and keep trying.

It is a false witness to speak of oneself in seeking our own glory.


Making a pledge to God to die to the sins of the world could have been made before Christ had come, and so if the Jews could not do that then, why now as if we can finish by the flesh by keeping a pledge?

The old covenant is not like the new one.

This is why it is written that the just shall live by faith and have no confidence in our flesh to do God's work in us or through us..

No confidence in the flesh is about THE OLD WORKS OF THE LAW, the purification works of the law. Read the scripture you are referencing.

It is about CIRCUMCISION of the flesh, it is not about telling us not to obey God!

So what are you all placing your faith, hope, confidence and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to do for you today?

You have gotten out of the false tongue speakers denomination, but you still need to get out of the false faith alone denominations.

 

[AnneOminous]

We have to trust what he says, which means we have to do what he says.


You don't know the New Covenant is a pledge, a contract, a legal contract?
You are not to break the rules of the Covenant. However, the Covenant says that if you break a rule...according to the Covenant, you are to repent of it and keep trying.


The old covenant is not like the new one.

No confidence in the flesh is about THE OLD WORKS OF THE LAW, the purification works of the law. Read the scripture you are referencing.

It is about CIRCUMCISION of the flesh, it is not about telling us not to obey God!

You have gotten out of the false tongue speakers denomination, but you still need to get out of the false faith alone denominations.

Fixated.

SMH

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

there is only one reason I am aware of that Jesus does not condemn a sinner, that is repentance.

Acts 3:19
Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,


Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it he cam into the world to save it

John 3:17
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Luke 19:10
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Well said.

 

[God's Truth]

Fixated.

SMH

You are not a good person. Don't come into a discussion where people are sharing so much of their beliefs only to just come and be insulting as you are.

 

[AnneOminous]

You are not a good person. Don't come into a discussion where people are sharing so much of their beliefs only to just come and be insulting as you are.

Don't presume to tell me what to do.

 

[God's Truth]

Don't presume to tell me what to do.

You have a problem for sure. Don't be my problem.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Remember this is not “Sunday School”, once a week “bible class” or ask your pastor radio program. This is “Talk Jesus”. Com. Give “Holy Scripture” back up your answer or refer to scripture in context pertaining to the post. A hint “people always get it wrong.” The reason why, he did not condemn her.

Great question.

I will share my thoughts.

So I hear two questions implied. You ask for "The reason why he did not condemn her"
and in the post it says "why he could not condemn her".

Would not and could not are different. But I'm not making a big point about it, just mentioning as I proceed.

When I think could not, I think one lacks the ability or capacity.
When I think would not, I think that one makes a choice, although sometimes one would not because they could not.
Meaning sometimes the choice is made based on their ability.

So why didn't David kill the Lion, ---- Oh he COULD not, he was not strong enough. (limited by ability, barriers, restricted)
question again, why didn't David kill the Lion -- He WOULD not, he loves animals (choice made based on desire, values)

COULD NOT -- I hear abilities
WOULD NOT -- I hear choice, make a decision.


So the question I would ask (@PloughBoy, @God's Truth , @GodB4Us , @AnneOminous , @Sue D. , @Dave M )
is did Jesus make a choice to forgive her, or was he obligated to do so by the law or a lack of witnesses?


We know that some do get condemned in the last days, and we know that Sodom and Gomorrah got condemnation
and Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead for their acts of sin.

So with this lady, is it a matter of why JESUS WOULD NOT condemn her (made a choice) or
why JESUS COULD NOT ( he was bound by law to forgive her)?
or something in the middle?

Thanks for your answer in advance.
Love and God Bless

 

[God's Truth]

Great question.

I will share my thoughts.

So I hear two questions implied. You ask for "The reason why he did not condemn her"
and in the post it says "why he could not condemn her".

Would not and could not are different. But I'm not making a big point about it, just mentioning as I proceed.

When I think could not, I think one lacks the ability or capacity.
When I think would not, I think that one makes a choice, although sometimes one would not because they could not.
Meaning sometimes the choice is made based on their ability.

So why didn't David kill the Lion, ---- Oh he COULD not, he was not strong enough. (limited by ability, barriers, restricted)
question again, why didn't David kill the Lion -- He WOULD not, he loves animals (choice made based on desire, values)

COULD NOT -- I hear abilities
WOULD NOT -- I hear choice, make a decision.


So the question I would ask (@PloughBoy, @God's Truth , @GodB4Us , @AnneOminous , @Sue D. , @Dave M )
is did Jesus make a choice to forgive her, or was he obligated to do so by the law or a lack of witnesses?


We know that some do get condemned in the last days, and we know that Sodom and Gomorrah got condemnation
and Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead for their acts of sin.

So with this lady, is it a matter of why JESUS WOULD NOT condemn her (made a choice) or
why JESUS COULD NOT ( he was bound by law to forgive her)?
or something in the middle?

Thanks for your answer in advance.
Love and God Bless

Hello, Jesus_is_LORD

So glad you involved me in your discussion. I hope you read all that I have been posting about this. I went against those who say Jesus COULDN'T condemn her. Jesus can do whatever he wants! Jesus didn't condemn her because he was teaching the New Covenant that he came to make. The New Covenant is based on faith and comes with mercy. Jesus is showing that we are no longer to stone people to death for immoral sins like adultery, as the old law said to do. Jesus teaches a New Covenant. I hope we can continue to discuss these things. Jesus also taught no more eye for eye and tooth for tooth, and no more being stoned to death for breaking the old law Sabbath day rules, and no more dietary laws as was made for the old law, and no more three marriages and divorces.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Hello, Jesus_is_LORD

So glad you involved me in your discussion. I hope you read all that I have been posting about this. I went against those who say Jesus COULDN'T condemn her. Jesus can do whatever he wants! Jesus didn't condemn her because he was teaching the New Covenant that he came to make. The New Covenant is based on faith and comes with mercy. Jesus is showing that we are no longer to stone people to death for immoral sins like adultery, as the old law said to do. Jesus teaches a New Covenant. I hope we can continue to discuss these things. Jesus also taught no more eye for eye and tooth for tooth, and no more being stoned to death for breaking the old law Sabbath day rules, and no more dietary laws as was made for the old law, and no more three marriages and divorces.

Thanks @God's Truth for sharing. Good points.

So if I hear you correctly, your position is Jesus would not -- it is not a matter of could not.

I hear you saying that Jesus came to introduce the new covenant and he was showing people that they would not
longer be bound by the law (the old conventant), but now it would be grace (or faith and mercy).

Correct?

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks @God's Truth for sharing. Good points.

So if I hear you correctly, your position is Jesus would not -- it is not a matter of could not.

I hear you saying that Jesus came to introduce the new covenant and he was showing people that they would not
longer be bound by the law (the old conventant), but now it would be grace (or faith and mercy).

Correct?

Correct. Jesus came and gave us a new covenant, it is like the old covenant, but with some changes.

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

We know that the old law says to take an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, ets.
The old law says to stone an adulterer to death, and to stone to death a person who breaks the old law's Sabbath days rules.

There are other things too that Jesus teaches us that are changes from the old law.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Correct. Jesus came and gave us a new covenant, it is like the old covenant, but with some changes.

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

We know that the old law says to take an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, ets.
The old law says to stone an adulterer to death, and to stone to death a person who breaks the old law's Sabbath days rules.

There are other things too that Jesus teaches us that are changes from the old law.

Can you imagine what it would be like if we never got the new covenant and were still under the law?

Thank God for Jesus and the New Covenant, AMEN .