Admon Mikha'el
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LOLOL I'm honoredOne thing I do perceive is, that you do have the gift of placing your words into the mouth of others. creatively like a “Boomerang”. Like effect.
But I still like you
Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?
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No one is that smart.
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LOL Of course not...Some only think they are
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Biblical to your understanding you mean.
Your understanding of the Rapture is not my understanding of how things happen.
Your understanding and my understanding are different on the breaking of the bread. And on a number of other things.
Do i condemn you for your thinking? No. Do i recognize that your understanding and mine are different? Yes.
You are welcome to continue thinking as you do, for now. But when i walk in Jerusalem, and you still find the snow i promised parked on your roof, it wont be so easy to argue your points.
I like being God's Fool, it is my birthday after all.
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Ok i will accept that. " no one can come to me unlesshe is drawn by the Father"
Can i ask you then, what do you make of John 6 : 53 thru 56
Sarcasm but referring to His crucifixion rather than communion, because the Jews were stuck in their mentality on eating this bread like their fathers ate manna in the wilderness when Jesus has repeatedly told them how to receive this bread of life by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ and He even told them why they had not received the bread of life because they believed not on Him for eternal life. John 6:28-40
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
So the Jews heard Him referring to Himself as the bread of life but could not comprehend that by believing in Him is how they are to receive that bread of life but still wanting that sign like manna from heaven to eat.
Afterwards Jesus told His disciples plainly that the flesh or the eating thereof profits nothing but believing His words does profit; hence as earlier stated by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ is how we have eternal life hence the actual eating of this bread of life. Jesus even pointed out that one of His twelve remaining disciples that Peter supposedly spoke for was a devil.
John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Jesus was never talking about communion in the sixth chapter of the gospel of John.
Yes, they were setting up Jesus temping him according to their understanding of their own law of the fathers, oral traditions of men . Women under that law of the fathers, earthly inspired government the women were second hand citizens .
It was the constant friction between the two forms of government .The government of God not seen the eternal and mankind seen, the temporal .The government of faith (God's) apposed to the government of walking by sight the temporal (dying mankind)
The government of men after "I heard it through the grape vine" opposed to "as it is written" in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)
Jesus the Son of man who had power to rebuke or commandment men to rise again said that he judged no man after the flesh.(walking by sight) Judgment was left up to the father as it is written inthe law and prophets or law and testimony the prophets represents God testimony not a testimony of them self .. they have no power reckoned as faith coming from God's understanding again as it is written
Using a parable to teach us how to walk by faith as the power of God Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And then they which heard the testimony of the parable (writing with finger in dust) being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing.
Twice the parable meaning was revealed (heard the testimony of the parable )
Two is the witness God has spoken .. .to the law and its testimony as one perfect law .let there be and there was God's Faithfull creative power or law of faith .
John 8:4-11They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
The older to the younger would seem to lean on familiarity with the Old Testament written by the finger of God. .The older felt the sting of the law and walked away faithless the younger following the example of the law of men .
No faith as it is written .the testimony of the law spoken of in Jerimiah 17.
Jerimiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool. A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.
Shall be written in the earth, with his finger wrote on the ground. Again the lord does the rebuking and the resurrecting he will not share that glory with the clay .He is not served by human hands
Okay. What is your view of the rapture. And how were you able to baptize another person with or in the he Holy Spirit.
And I do know that I'll be one of the people walking in the New Jerusalem when that happens
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Yes Sue, i do know you will be in Heaven as will i. Even with all our disagreements. Lol . As our disagreements are not who we are inside . I know that you are very loving and kind and more. Also strong headed lol. The Lord and i talk about you.
In Baptizing another person in the Holy Spirit. I did what the Father told me to do. As i am well aware that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Water Baptism are separate things. I do what the Father in Heaven asks of me.
You already know my view of the Rapture.
The rapture will not happen as so many wish. And those who have placed thier hopes so deeply into the raprure will find out too late that they have been duped. As most will not be prepared in mind nor heart to deal with the hardest decision all Christians will face. Whether to take the mark of the beast or not.
By taking the mark of the beast, you will be as Judas. Knowing full well you are claiming you know more than God. This type of sin will not be forgiven, as it is a sin against the Holy Spirit.
There will be preachers who will say, " it is ok for you to take the mark, as we are always saved, Jesus is God." Remember, the devil also knows Jesus is God, yet they are not saved.
And if you do not take the mark of the beast, you will not only doom yourself but your family as well. Everyone may starve to death. There will be many martyrs during this time.
Those who do not take the mark, those Children of the Most High will become the remnant church. There will be people from many churches coming together including catholics and many others. This is why it is very important for the protestants to learn to forgive thier brothers and sisters. Those you deem as enemies.
Those who do not take the mark, thier faith will soar as eagles. Greater faith than has ever been seen before. They will litterly be able to move mountains with thier faith.
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There was no sarcasm, was just a question?
If you could not give an answer, just say so versus being so defensive. John 6: 53 thru 56
I don't have time or mental energy to engage in this argument but I do not believe Jesus nor anyone else ever inspired by God ever used sarcasm, and especially not with regard to "the Word" which has to be translated over thousands of times as public disemination.
Paul may have used sarcasm and I suspect he is rolling in his grave so to speak, horrified that his words became upheld as equal.. and even superior to Jesus' by many.
Don't know where you got that from.
You should consider that you are not hearing His words as His disciples did not either, let alone the unbelieving Jews.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
After Jesus told them He is the bread of life and that by believing in Him is how they can receive that bread of life is why they & you are not hearing His words that by believing in Him is how we are saved. His references to His crucifixion should be noted as well as His ascension when He spoke plainly to His disciples about believing in His words that by believing in Him is how we are saved, even though the majority still went away.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
I shall pray for you in case you are still not understanding my words let alone His words on this matter because only He can case the increase. I cannot help you for why prayer is needed.
Does not sarcasm hold a sting of truth when spoken to the still resisting opposition? And He did addressed the opposition as those who still refuse to believe in Him in spite of what He has said in how to receive eternal life over & over again by believing in Him just as He pointed out that they still were not believing in Him. ( See Post #314 before this reply. )
And did not Peter refer to Paul's words as on par with scripture that believers sometime wrest to their own destruction?
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Was this also not written?
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
And as led by the Holy Spirit, Paul was careful to differentiate between citing what he says by permission as apart from the commandment of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
So the N.T. are scripture as the O.T. are.
Hi I would offer another view and ask. Where do we find the foundation of water baptism? In the old or new testament? What is its purpose of getting wet ?
The same with the number of man (666) a beast of the field .Jesus said its an evil generation that seeks after signs to wonder after . No sign was given other than the sign of the times, things going on as usual history repeating itself just as in the days of Noah. .
What is the foundation of the mark or sign (666)? What is it that we are to buy and not sell if not the gospel ?
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Bill - my question is How did you baptize another person in the Holy Spirit? Because the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit comes to indwell a new believer st the moment of their salvation. And the only other baptism is that of by immersion which is what can be seen by others. So How did You do something that only the Holy Spirit does.
And the rapture will take place as is talked about in 1st Thessalonians 4: 16 -18. And then there is 1 Corinthians 15:51 - 53
The mark of the beast is talked about in book of Revelation : 13: 18. And is mentioned again in chapter 14: 9-10.
The second coming is talked about in Zachariah 14:4. Jesus Christ will come back to earth and stand on the Mt of Olives. He will reign on this Earth for 1,000 yrs. Righteous judgement. During that time, Satan will be locked away so that he can't mess with us.
Remember no sign was given. On the last day Jesus used 6 times to represent the end of time No Sun or Moon.
The Spirit of Christ informs us its a evil generation, natural unconverted mankind that looks to signs to wonder and seek after after rather than prophecy by which we do believe God .
Wondering leads to wondering and is why Jesus when speaking of the greatest posible miracle (Born again) said to Nicodenmus marvel or wonder not but rather believe the words of prophecy .
In that we we must be careful how we walk or understand the Spirit of Christ that works in us. the Pharisees with Sadaucesss both replaced believing prophecy with wondering after lying signs and wonders .They made Jesus into a circus seal. saying perform a miracle then we will believe. (natural unconverted mankind)
We have the full or perfect word of God sealed with 7 seals till the end of time . We are in the thousand years a metaphor that represents a unknown able.
God desires we walk by faith not after what the eyes sees. The kingdom comes not be observation.
The foundation for the number of man (666) a beast of the field created on day six is in Genesis 4 most doctrine foundation are found in Genesis .
Again Christ is reigning on earth he never stopped working in the hearts of born again mankind. .
Satan during this metaphorical thousand years. Again thousand is a word that represents a unknown throughout the Bible .
Satan is bound for a unknown time period (thousands years) the time of reformation had come the veil was rent. There was no Jewish king sitting in the Holy of Hollies . Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God was a Jewish King as a man like us .
Lucifer or the Legion will be loosed for a short why at the end of the age .Some will build another abomination of desolation temple made with human hands and re-apply a new vail to cause wonderment>>>
The key to understanding is nations or whole world, all the families . He cannot deceive the whole world any longer that God is a man and Jewish.
Satan the father of lies the god of this world will be here until the last day under the sun. Then our heavenly father who works in us to both reveal his will and empower us to do it to his good pleasure .
The Spirit of Christ on the last day under the Sun will leave as a thief in the night and the present corrupted creation will go up in smoke .
Revelation 20: 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
If we righty divide the parables it should take away confusion . I am offering my opinion .
Is there something in particular that seems out of place ??
