Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?

[Bill]

I would offer to be careful and not destroy that which defends us (as it is written)

It was trusting the voice of another authority other than the word of God that caused the fall of mankind. The same
as today

The inspiration of the Holy Spirit is shown in one way as it is written . As it is written make the devil flee. Jesus the apostle ( sent one) when given the words from the father rebuked the devil three times .(it is written) Three denotes the end of a mater as to whatsoever is in view .

The it in the phrase as it is writen represents the mighty faith of Christ that does work in the believer to both reveal his will and empower mankind to perform it .

The phrase (as it is written )is used 35 times in the new testament 15 in the old . Same faith of Christ working in both.

Mathew 4:7-11 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.



Remember the living abiding word of God has always been the final authority in matters of faith (the unseen eternal) The will of God's prophecy was working in mankind as it is writen before one word was etched in stone by the finger of God . (Not the finger of the apostle Moses) One third of human history had already passed. God who was there as a witness recorded it .

The faith of Christ is based on all things written in the law and prophets or law the written word and the testemony. "let there be" and "t was very good."

So then it is the kind of a supernatural crutch by which two could walk together as one .

It was not the wind that Elijah heard that worked in Elijah to both reveal the will of God and empower Elisha to come out of the cave ,.. The wind blows but offers no interpretation .


Yes they had the Spirit of Christ as it is writen working in them just as us today ..

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

We must be careful not to make the foundation (the faith of Christ ) without effect. Like many times the word faith seems to cause confusion to the faithless.

Even though you read my discourse, you are neglecting what was written about the man declaring , " i cast out demons in your name " .

Is this because , you never understood this in the scripture. So you see, there are many writings in the scripture that doesnt fit into the mold many here have chosen to follow.

I have no doubt, as i have heard the arguments before, there are all manner of excuses made.

For not doing as Jesus asks of us.

Yet many here cling to this notion you will go up in the rapture. And i say, why would God want such a rebelious lot. Because Jesus states, God wants those who do the will of God. And is not blessing the bread and wine something Jesus specifically asks of us. Or maybe i didnt read your bible ? Is that written in your bible ?

Hippocrates all who read the word and say that they are Christian and yet do not do what Jesus asks of you

 

[Bill]

I know that Bill...I'm just getting grouchier as I near my end.

Your time will never be at an end . Lol youngster

In heaven age is not based on years but on the maturity of your soul

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Your time will never be at an end . Lol youngster

In heaven age is not based on years but on the maturity of your soul

LOL Should I say "My time in this old bod?

 

[Bill]

LOL Should I say "My time in this old bod?

Ok Oscar ( Sesame Street )

The youngsters might not understand that either

 

[PloughBoy]

Has God stopped creation ? Every part of creation is a new revelation . But maybe we should understand what the word Revelation is , it means to reveal.

Now i have to believe you are not implying you are God, and know all things.

But Revelations has not yet been fully revealed , if it had , you would know what the Thunders said to John

LOL, “What The Thunder said to John”
That is a good one.

 

[Bill]

LOL, “What The Thunder said to John”
That is a good one.

Its those little things people overlook

 

[Garee]

Even though you read my discourse, you are neglecting what was written about the man declaring , " i cast out demons in your name " .

Is this because , you never understood this in the scripture. So you see, there are many writings in the scripture that doesnt fit into the mold many here have chosen to follow.

I have no doubt, as i have heard the arguments before, there are all manner of excuses made.

For not doing as Jesus asks of us.

Yet many here cling to this notion you will go up in the rapture. And i say, why would God want such a rebelious lot. Because Jesus states, God wants those who do the will of God. And is not blessing the bread and wine something Jesus specifically asks of us. Or maybe i didnt read your bible ? Is that written in your bible ?

Hippocrates all who read the word and say that they are Christian and yet do not do what Jesus asks of you

From my experiences many neglect to rightly divide the parables and this one the parable of writing names in the dust is no different . The unseen gospel meaning must be sought out . The law. . without parables Christ the teacher spoke not

I did not neglect what was writen but rather defined it .

Believers can cast out demons in the name or power of God not of there own self they have no power living in dying body of death.

The Son of man did not cast out demons in his own name he delighted to do the will of the father .

God used prophecy to rebuke them . Twice (two is the witness of God) stopping down the Son of man Jesus the prophet/ apostle moved by his Fathers Holy Spirit wrote names in the dust to indicate they will be blotted out from the book of life .


The older to the younger departed after the rebuke . The older had more familiarly with the old testament

Jeremiah 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters

Like in all parables God is defending his unseen glory that will be revealed on the last day in the new order .

 

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Remember this is not “Sunday School”, once a week “bible class” or ask your pastor radio program. This is “Talk Jesus”. Com. Give “Holy Scripture” back up your answer or refer to scripture in context pertaining to the post. A hint “people always get it wrong.” The reason why, he did not condemn her.

3) And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4) They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6) This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground,
as though He heard them not.
7) So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8) And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:
and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10) When Jesus had lifted up Himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers?
hath no man condemned thee?
11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(John 8:3-11)

Subject Heading:- Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?​

Hello @PloughBoy,

There was no one present to bring a condemnation again her: they had all gone away, when the Lord said, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.' being convicted by their own conscience. So there were not the required witnesses needed according to the law to convict the woman, which you, yourself, pointed out.

* Whatever the state of the hearts of the men who sought her punishment, which could be known by God only: we do know that they were all equally guilty of at least two wrongs, by the record given.1) That they were seeking to 'tempt Him', so that they may have reason to accuse Him, using devious means, and , 2) the action of our Lord, writing on the ground showed that He was not ignorant of the fact that they were not telling Him the full facts of the case against this woman. For they demanded stoning as punishment for this woman, but the Lord showed that He knew that her status, as the wife of a man, required not stoning, but something else altogether, stoning was the punishment required for a woman who was still a virgin, espoused to a man. His writing on the ground pointed to the punishment that was required by the law for her, as the wife of a man (Numbers 5:11-31).

* It has been suggested that the act of writing on the ground by our Lord had a different purpose. It is suggest that it was an indication that their names were to be blotted out of the book of life, yet the context gives us no reason to believe that, so we should not impose our own understanding upon it.

* So the question you ask in your subject heading, is answered by the fact that it would not have been lawful on more than one count for Him to do so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

Has God stopped creation ? Every part of creation is a new revelation . But maybe we should understand what the word Revelation is , it means to reveal.

Now i have to believe you are not implying you are God, and know all things.

But Revelations has not yet been fully revealed , if it had , you would know what the Thunders said to John

God finished all the work of creating in six days. Yoked with Christ we enter that eternal rest .

Yes the word Revelation means reveal the unseen mysteries of the gospel hid in parables called hidden manna in Chapter 2:17)

Chapter 1 verse 1 sets up the standard for hearing the gospel revealing to us that not only was the prophecy inspired from above but also signified

.Again the signified prophecy the language of parables which without Christ spoke not

Revelation 1;1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

In order to rightly divide the parables God has not left us without what call 20/20 prescription as it is writen .

Using the temporal things seen to give us the eternal understanding hid in parables . Then we can obey the loving commandment in 2 Timothy 2:15 to study to show ourselves approved unto our unseen eternal God

2 Corinthian 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Parable teach us how to walk by faith as it is writen

We must be careful how we hear or say we hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the denominations.

New revelations are no more possible we have the perfect living word that works in mankind a warning at the end to not add or subtract from the whole sealed with 7 seals till the end of time .

Revelation is still the last chapter in the Christian Bible. Rightly divide it seek the approval of God .

There are no laws missing by which we could know of God more intimately or adequately .

 

[Bill]

From my experiences many neglect to rightly divide the parables and this one the parable of writing names in the dust is no different . The unseen gospel meaning must be sought out . The law. . without parables Christ the teacher spoke not

I did not neglect what was writen but rather defined it .

Believers can cast out demons in the name or power of God not of there own self they have no power living in dying body of death.

The Son of man did not cast out demons in his own name he delighted to do the will of the father .

God used prophecy to rebuke them . Twice (two is the witness of God) stopping down the Son of man Jesus the prophet/ apostle moved by his Fathers Holy Spirit wrote names in the dust to indicate they will be blotted out from the book of life .


The older to the younger departed after the rebuke . The older had more familiarly with the old testament

Jeremiah 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters

Like in all parables God is defending his unseen glory that will be revealed on the last day in the new order .

As Jesus did the will of the Father. Should not we also do as Jesus instructs?

 

[Bill]

God finished all the work of creating in six days. Yoked with Christ we enter that eternal rest .

Yes the word Revelation means reveal the unseen mysteries of the gospel hid in parables called hidden manna in Chapter 2:17)

Chapter 1 verse 1 sets up the standard for hearing the gospel revealing to us that not only was the prophecy inspired from above but also signified

.Again the signified prophecy the language of parables which without Christ spoke not

Revelation 1;1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

In order to rightly divide the parables God has not left us without what call 20/20 prescription as it is writen .

Using the temporal things seen to give us the eternal understanding hid in parables . Then we can obey the loving commandment in 2 Timothy 2:15 to study to show ourselves approved unto our unseen eternal God

2 Corinthian 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Parable teach us how to walk by faith as it is writen

We must be careful how we hear or say we hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the denominations.

New revelations are no more possible we have the perfect living word that works in mankind a warning at the end to not add or subtract from the whole sealed with 7 seals till the end of time .

Revelation is still the last chapter in the Christian Bible. Rightly divide it seek the approval of God .

There are no laws missing by which we could know of God more intimately or adequately .

Really , creation is done ? So you were not created? And everything that comes into being, every moment of everyday is not created? Interesting

 

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From my experiences many neglect to rightly divide the parables and this one the parable of writing names in the dust is no different . The unseen gospel meaning must be sought out . The law. . without parables Christ the teacher spoke not

I did not neglect what was writen but rather defined it .

Believers can cast out demons in the name or power of God not of there own self they have no power living in dying body of death.

The Son of man did not cast out demons in his own name he delighted to do the will of the father .

God used prophecy to rebuke them . Twice (two is the witness of God) stopping down the Son of man Jesus the prophet/ apostle moved by his Fathers Holy Spirit wrote names in the dust to indicate they will be blotted out from the book of life .


The older to the younger departed after the rebuke . The older had more familiarly with the old testament

Jeremiah 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters

Like in all parables God is defending his unseen glory that will be revealed on the last day in the new order .

'The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins,
even to give every man according to his ways,
and according to the fruit of his doings.'
(Jer 17:9-10)

Hello, @Garee,

You quote from Jeremiah 17:13:-

' O LORD, the hope of Israel,
all that forsake Thee shall be ashamed,
and they that depart from Me
shall be written in the earth,
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the fountain of living waters.'

With reference to the words, 'shall be written in the earth', in regard to the question of the OP in relation to John 8:3-11, (Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?)

The record of John 8:3-11 does not signify that the Lord intends that their names should be blotted out of the book of life, so, with respect, why should we assume so?

Though looking at the context of Jeremiah 17:13, especially the verses preceding it, I can understand why you should think of Jeremiah 17:13 in relation to John 8:3-11, and the Pharisees and Scribes being quickened in their conscience and walking away, at the challenge the Lord made to them. especially in the light of Jeremiah 17:9-10 quoted above. For they were departing from the Lord and forsaking Him as their Messiah and King.

Also, why do you refer to the act of writing in the earth as a parable?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

The record of John 8:3-11 does not signify that the Lord intends that their names should be blotted out of the book of life,

I tend to agree with this... but there are other passages that do.

Psa 69:27; Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness.
Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.

 

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I tend to agree with this... but there are other passages that do.

Psa 69:27; Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness.
Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.

Thank you, @ B-A-C,

For I have been trying to find references such as these to the book of life. I will be able to look at these in their context now.

 

[PloughBoy]

3) And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4) They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6) This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground,
as though He heard them not.
7) So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8) And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:
and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10) When Jesus had lifted up Himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers?
hath no man condemned thee?
11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(John 8:3-11)

Subject Heading:- Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?​

Hello @PloughBoy,

There was no one present to bring a condemnation again her: they had all gone away, when the Lord said, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.' being convicted by their own conscience. So there were not the required witnesses needed according to the law to convict the woman, which you, yourself, pointed out.

* Whatever the state of the hearts of the men who sought her punishment, which could be known by God only: we do know that they were all equally guilty of at least two wrongs, by the record given.1) That they were seeking to 'tempt Him', so that they may have reason to accuse Him, using devious means, and , 2) the action of our Lord, writing on the ground showed that He was not ignorant of the fact that they were not telling Him the full facts of the case against this woman. For they demanded stoning as punishment for this woman, but the Lord showed that He knew that her status, as the wife of a man, required not stoning, but something else altogether, stoning was the punishment required for a woman who was still a virgin, espoused to a man. His writing on the ground pointed to the punishment that was required by the law for her, as the wife of a man (Numbers 5:11-31).

* It has been suggested that the act of writing on the ground by our Lord had a different purpose. It is suggest that it was an indication that their names were to be blotted out of the book of life, yet the context gives us no reason to believe that, so we should not impose our own understanding upon it.

* So the question you ask in your subject heading, is answered by the fact that it would not have been lawful on more than one count for Him to do so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

This is what you call “eisegesis”
You are reading some thing in the text that is not there. You are applying something that does not exists.

Your quote:
“but the Lord showed that He knew that her status, as the wife of a man, required not stoning, but something else”

For Jesus did not have to discern from his “Deity” but in The Fulfilling of The Law of GOD within his “Humanity”, for everyone, the men and woman was guilty as charge and I will not have to “Speculate” concerning that, all was guilty and deserved death, still she was caught in the act, with her legs wide open! Don’t you agree?

But since there was No “ACCUSERS”, And since “Jesus” was operating in His “Humanity” and not His “Deity”! And in this Too, was The Will of His Father just like He Die on The Cross in His “Humanity” and not His “Deity”. GOD cannot die, the man died, and GOD step out of The Body, and in Three days, He Step back in The Same body He left out of and The man who we call Jesus got up, [because The Deity said “Get up” for we got more work to do!]. We got to go tell by Brothers…etc.

And Jesus Body got up on the third Day! With holes still in his body! He said one time “I got the power to lay It down and the power to take it up again”!

You do believe that That Jesus who is The Christ of “GOD the Father is 100 percent “Deity” and 100 percent Human, and have the power to walk in Deity or in his humanity, meaning That GOD the Father prepared Him a Body in Mary’s womb a special Body that Can hold “Deity and humanity” at The same Time, and will not get confuse who is in charge

 

[Garee]

'The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins,
even to give every man according to his ways,
and according to the fruit of his doings.'
(Jer 17:9-10)

Hello, @Garee,

You quote from Jeremiah 17:13:-

' O LORD, the hope of Israel,
all that forsake Thee shall be ashamed,
and they that depart from Me
shall be written in the earth,
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the fountain of living waters.'

With reference to the words, 'shall be written in the earth', in regard to the question of the OP in relation to John 8:3-11, (Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?)

The record of John 8:3-11 does not signify that the Lord intends that their names should be blotted out of the book of life, so, with respect, why should we assume so?

Though looking at the context of Jeremiah 17:13, especially the verses preceding it, I can understand why you should think of Jeremiah 17:13 in relation to John 8:3-11, and the Pharisees and Scribes being quickened in their conscience and walking away, at the challenge the Lord made to them. especially in the light of Jeremiah 17:9-10 quoted above. For they were departing from the Lord and forsaking Him as their Messiah and King.

Also, why do you refer to the act of writing in the earth as a parable?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I offer that as my own private interpretation of his interpretation, the Bible .It was given as a parable using the temporal things seen to signify the unseen gospel .Many times God uses the temporal in that way in parables .Hiding the eternal understanding .
The 20/20 presciptipion for rightly dividing the parables .

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Names writen in the dust from where the corrupted return to show the selfish pride of the Pharisees . Dust or earth representing death. You could say the letter of the law (death) etched in stone

What do you think the parable teaching if not reminding the older to the younger about a deceitful heart ?

Jerimah 17 :9- The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool. A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.

Living waters in that parable represent the doctrines of God that fall like rain or water of the word falling upon the green things causing growth

 

[PloughBoy]

Complete, I am waiting on you To respond on “Post #356. I ain’t getting into that one. He got your name “Tagged”
To that one! I ain’t going to say a word. Go for it! I am just reading the mail!

Complete, you been doing a good Job, keep it up.

When you rope a Calf don’t cut him loose. And make sure you give him enough rope

 

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I offer that as my own private interpretation of his interpretation, the Bible .It was given as a parable using the temporal things seen to signify the unseen gospel .Many times God uses the temporal in that way in parables .Hiding the eternal understanding .​

Hello @Garee,

Are you saying that you believe the Bible to be entirely parabolic?

The 20/20 presciptipion for rightly dividing the parables .​

​

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.​

* I believe the Bible should be understood literally for the most part, but where parabolic or figurative language is being used, then the context will reveal it to be so.

Names written in the dust from where the corrupted return to show the selfish pride of the Pharisees . Dust or earth representing death. You could say the letter of the law (death) etched in stone​

What do you think the parable teaching if not reminding the older to the younger about a deceitful heart ?​

​

Jerimah 17 :9- The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool. A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.​

​

Living waters in that parable represent the doctrines of God that fall like rain or water of the word falling upon the green things causing growth​

* Thank you for expressing your thoughts Garee, forgive me if I do not comment on them, but it is the word of God itself that will judge us on that day, our judgment is of no consequence, it is before God we stand.

* The Lord's action of writing in the earth and it's significance is not answered for me.
* The Pharisees and Scribes referred to Moses and the law, before asking Him, 'What sayest Thou?' Thereby seeking His downfall.
* Yet Moses was only the Mediator of the law. which had been written by the finger of God on stone tablets.
* It was God Himself Who gave the law, for the children of Israel to 'keep' as part of The Old Covenant' that He made with them at Sinai, not Moses.
* The Lord Jesus Christ, by His subsequent death, would be the Mediator of The New Covenant which will again be made with the children of Israel,
* His blood being the blood of The New Covenant.

* Numbers 5:11-31:- The law required that a man who thought his wife had lain with another man, should bring her to the Priest, and a test would be carried out, before God, in which the dust from the floor of the tabernacle is mixed with holy water, The Priest writes the curses in a book and blots them out with the bitter water, which the woman drinks, and the result is determined by her innocence or guilt, before God, who knows the heart.

Just thinking our loud Garee, just thinking out loud.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Complete saiad:- The record of John 8:3-11 does not signify that the Lord intends that their names should be blotted out of the book of life,

I tend to agree with this... but there are other passages that do.

Psa 69:27; Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness.
Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.

Psa 69:27-28; Rev 3:5; Exod 32:32-33; Deut 29:20;

Hello B-A-C,

The verses you have kindly provided, do show that the Lord will blot out of His book the names of those who warrant it: but we are not given any written indication that this was the case in John 8:3-11, in regard to those seeking to tempt the Lord, that they may accuse Him, are we?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

Are you saying that you believe the Bible to be entirely parabolic?

Hi thanks for the reply.

Thinking out loud also .

I think without parables the signified language Christ spoke not . That should prepare us to look. Many including my own self were taught, if the literal does not make sense then we can look to the prescription for rightly dividing and hope to find the gospel understanding (2 Corinthians 4:18) In that way the gospel is hid as the unseen things of faith . Satan blinding the minds of mankind

If we are to find hidden truth we must search for it as silver or gold. As part of God's plan teaching how to walk by faith it does take some work of digging in order to rightly divide the parables. It would seem there are two kinds of parables moral as Proverbs and historical. Temporal historically accurate as well as eternal spiritual.

To the creative law not seen (let there be) and its testimony (it was very good ) .It defines the law of the Faithful and true Creator. Mixing that seen the temporal with the eternal then we can enter his rest . Two, the greater. . . . let there be and it was very good it is the one witness of God greater than the witness of mankind one. Let there be and nothing changes nothing

For instance the whole time period there were kings in Israel that time period was written as a parable, using the temporal signified things seen to give us the gospel hid from non believers. . until the time of reformation.

* Thank you for expressing your thoughts Garee, forgive me if I do not comment on them, but it is the word of God itself that will judge us on that day, our judgment is of no consequence, it is before God we stand.

* The Lord's action of writing in the earth and it's significance is not answered for me.
* The Pharisees and Scribes referred to Moses and the law, before asking Him, 'What sayest Thou?' Thereby seeking His downfall.
* Yet Moses was only the Mediator of the law. which had been written by the finger of God on stone tablets.
* It was God Himself Who gave the law, for the children of Israel to 'keep' as part of The Old Covenant' that He made with them at Sinai, not Moses.
* The Lord Jesus Christ, by His subsequent death, would be the Mediator of The New Covenant which will again be made with the children of Israel,
* His blood being the blood of The New Covenant.

* Numbers 5:11-31:- The law required that a man who thought his wife had lain with another man, should bring her to the Priest, and a test would be carried out, before God, in which the dust from the floor of the tabernacle is mixed with holy water, The Priest writes the curses in a book and blots them out with the bitter water, which the woman drinks, and the result is determined by her innocence or guilt, before God, who knows the heart.

Mankind is working out the wage of sin the first death .In dying a person comes to the end not more suffering the daily pangs of hell living in a dying body .

Some have extended the first death calling it Limbo or Purgatory a false doctrine that does despite to the fullness of Christ, eternal life . They like the Pharisees with Sadducees sign and wonder seekers say that this queen of heaven alone received the fulness of grace, the price of redemption and the rest of mankind a unknown remnant. and mankind must continue to wonder, wonder, wonder with no end in sight . No gospel

Believers have eternal life while in the earthen corrupted bodies that means judgment has been made the gospel no double jeapordy .Eternal life is a judgment made.

The first death is an appointment all make .. There will be no double jeapordy like that of Pope Formosa the cadaver trial who they dug up and condemned and then passed the dead bones to be venerated .

The believers receive the Spirt of Christ the Spirt of life . Death the letter of the law that judged mankind in the garden declaring them guilty is still doing its work .

Dead is dead never to rise .No sufferings in the grave The father of lies (Did God say you will surely die ?) Yoked with Christ our daily sufferings is lightened and joy increased when we receive a blessing. Believers have a living hope beyond worldly hope of a new incorruptible body .One that is not subject to the letter of the law death. The death of death . Death as the letter of the law will not rise up and condemn through corruption "dying leading to death" ever more .

The death of death

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

I do agree with the Numbers 5:11-31:-you offered. I think it would work with the Jeremiah 17:13. Adding water (the work of the Holy Spirt) to dry ground represents the gospel. It was one of the two signs given to the rebels . Fresh living water, a river used to represent the Spirit .It is poured out on dry land and becomes dried blood to show no life . The same with the other sign given to Moses. Moving the rebel unbelievers to let his people go

While the life of the flesh is in the blood that life is always spirit unseen .

Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.