Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?

[Garee]

Born once, die twice.
Born twice, die once.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Born once die once, Then come the appointed end death .The death of death The letter of the law (thou shall not or you will truly die )

The letter of the law (death )will not rise up in the new creation and condemn another whole creation.

An extension of life after death was created by a law of the father (I heard it through the grape vine) In that way Limbo or Purgatory two forms of wondering, wondering, wondering never come to a end Salvation of ones soul. It provides venerable power to the law of the fathers (a hierarchy of dying men) needed to create a Queen of heaven His and hers gods) said to be the only one as queen that received the fulness of grace. .. the full price of redemption, all other mankind a unknown remnant of grace leaving them to wonder, wonder, marvel., doubt. ?

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell (sufferings) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Believers yoked with Christ are empowered to make the daily sufferings of hell lighter with a living hope of a new incorruptible body

 

[B-A-C]

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell (sufferings) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

You really need to quit adding your words to scripture.
Hades/Hell whatever you wan to call it, is a temporary place.
The Lake of Fire is a permanent place. No one will die there.. you are right death itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
But the pain, agony and suffering... is eternal.

There is no verse that says pain and suffering will be done away with.

 

[PloughBoy]

Here we go again.

Rev 20:10; Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 14:9; Then a third angel followed them, shouting, “Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand
Rev 14:10; must drink the wine of God’s anger. It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name.”

Matt 25:45; “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’
Matt 25:46; “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

The word "eternal" here in verses 46 is the same word, both times.
αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

If there is no eternal punishment, then there is no eternal life.

Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Lukr 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

Spoken liken a Champ! Sir, I tip my hat to you! Well done, as if a Faithful servant. That every mouth, is sure To be Stop!

 

[PloughBoy]

Born once, die twice.
Born twice, die once.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

You must to had a Bowl of Cheerios top off and Sprinkle with “Wheaties” This Morning!

 

[Garee]

You really need to quit adding your words to scripture.
Hades/Hell whatever you wan to call it, is a temporary place.
The Lake of Fire is a permanent place. No one will die there.. you are right death itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
But the pain, agony and suffering... is eternal.

There is no verse that says pain and suffering will be done away with.

Hi thanks for the reply.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (the Judgment of judgment the letter of the law.. death)

No mis-trial or double jeapordy

Defining hell as sufferings after death again itis needed for the foundation of limbo or purgatory . The false doctrine of wondering, wondering, wondering with no end of salvation sight .except for the Queen mother in heaven a false god

I think Genesis 4:8-15 gives us the insight needed. Genesis is the foundation of most doctrines to include the number of man six , created on day six as a beast of the field of clay. Three sixes denotes the end of the mater through out the Bible .Seven the perfection of God 777 of is used in the same way in parables

Cain the firstborn and Abel the second . Cain used to represent the first Adam fallen unredeemed mankind (666) also called the evil generation .And Abel the second born to represent born again, the second Adam signifying the Son of man, Jesus empowered by Christ . The generation of Christ the righteous born again generation .

Abel the first listed apostles sent with the word of God as a prophet first listed martyr whose blood cries out today like the blood of all saints

Genesis 4: 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Sold his birth rite for a little silence a false peace of mind

Genesis 4:9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

There it show the work of the father of lies a murderer from that vey beginning .

Genesis 4:10-13 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

Only those yoked with Christ like Abel could lighten the load of hells temporal sufferings ,

Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

There above Cain is asking for death the easy way out.

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

666 the mark of his word what he says will come to pass one murder does not constitute another . Mark his word He carried out the death sentence a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth all the days of sufferings the pangs of hell

Esau another first born sold his first born rites for a cup of goat soup putting no value in the unseen things of God

 

[Shaolin]

Lol, have ever heard of The insanity of Luther? Or the mental problems of “Charles Haddon Spurgeon”, the depression of “Jonathan Edwards” and Jesus family Thought he was a “Lunatic”
If you knew what I knew! You would have mental problems too. And stay clear of this world’s medications!
Reality of This world is a real “Trip”!most everybody is living in a illusion, and walking In “Darkness”! If the Light comes on In their “Spirit” they going Need A “JESUS” matter of Fact, when The LIGHT comes on, you need “A TRIUNE GOD” every step you take!
Most are in The Dark, if knew what I knew, you keep your behind at home and would not Venture out at Night! And sleep with one eye open!

It might look like a duck, but I got news for you “it ain’t a Duck!

It ain’t about being a holy roller and speaking in tongues

Out of his own mouth...need I say more!

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[PloughBoy]

Out of his own mouth...need I say more!

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In other words no!

 

[Bill]

So the forbidden moral knowledge made them feel guilty of staying unclothed in God's most holy presence?

It was the sin of disobedience that made them feel guilty.

Those of you jumping to the conclusion that we were created in sin ( because they were not clothed in creation ) that is human thinking .

God created nothing with clothing , as if God is ashamed to see His Creation . Even to stand before him in heaven, we are naked ( but that is not the same nakedness you are all talking about, the nakeness i speak of , is that of the soul

 

[Bill]

While that is true, we must remember and keep in mind that disobedience to God today under the New Covenant - while it does not lead to physical death - DOES lead to spiritual death. We are only in union with God while we walk in obedience to Him, obeying His covenant law, the Law of Christ. When we stop walking in obedience to that covenant law, then we cease to remain abiding in covenant union with Him, and that results in cutting ourselves off from God. Union with God is eternal life; being separated from Him is being spiritually dead while you are still physically alive.

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And this is where God's Grace comes in. It is what makes Him a jelious God. Because as one who was in the flock sins , He will do all sorts of things to bring you back to your senses .

The prodigal son story as an example .

 

[Bill]

If God had given the moral knowledge to Adam and Eve they would not have stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence.

Not so much moral knowledge of God , but of the world and sin.

Remember God is perfect , and His creation is already perfect . Being clothed was unnecessary before God in perfection. It was only after sin happened

 

[Bill]

Yes, but there are different "versions" of the Trinity...some right, and some wrong. For example, many claim Christophanies in the OT, and when they do that, they demonstrate their ignorance on the subject, because a Christophany is defined as an appearance of Christ AFTER His death and resurrection - it has no place in the OT.

Jesus did exist before Creation...as Yahweh God. When the verses that people use in trying to prove OT Christopanies are fully examined down to the original languages, many of them have been butchered in translation and give no support to the idea that Jesus existed before His incarnation as a separate being from Yahweh.

Blessings!

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And this is why in the New Testiment it states " the rock that followed the Israelies around in the desert was Jesus,"

 

[Bill]

Born once, die twice.
Born twice, die once.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

I havent heard that phrase but it's very true. Lol

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

Not so much moral knowledge of God , but of the world and sin.

Remember God is perfect , and His creation is already perfect . Being clothed was unnecessary before God in perfection. It was only after sin happened

moral knowledge of God , but of the world and sin. What difference?

Sin was not nameless. Sin was choosing the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

It was the sin of disobedience that made them feel guilty.

Those of you jumping to the conclusion that we were created in sin ( because they were not clothed in creation ) that is human thinking .

God created nothing with clothing , as if God is ashamed to see His Creation . Even to stand before him in heaven, we are naked ( but that is not the same nakedness you are all talking about, the nakeness i speak of , is that of the soul

The sin of disobedience is not nameless. It is choosing the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

With reference to the forbidden knowledge of good and evil they committed the sin of staying unclothed in God's most holy presence.

Don't confuse between physical nakedness & moral nakedness. The latter is the problem.

 

[Shaolin]

And this is where God's Grace comes in. It is what makes Him a jelious God. Because as one who was in the flock sins , He will do all sorts of things to bring you back to your senses .

The prodigal son story as an example .

True, but many today fail to understand that Scripture teaches that we only have access to His grace as long as we remain abiding in the New Covenant. The prodigal walked away from God, and while I am sure that Jesus intends for us to understand that God does reach out to people to bring them back, He does not force them to come back. Some people never come back to their senses because they have gone too far into sin and sin deceives them into believing that they are OK when they really are not.

Willful sin against God is rebellion, and God does not tolerate rebellion...not even under the New Covenant.

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[Shaolin]

And this is why in the New Testiment it states " the rock that followed the Israelies around in the desert was Jesus,"

So...you intend that the rocks Moses smote was ACTUALLY Jesus? If so, then you also believe that God is a giant bird because many passages say He has feathers.

If you can't tell the difference between what is literal and what is meant to be taken as figurative, then how can anyone here ever take you seriously?

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[PloughBoy]

If what you say here is true, then the bible teaches a lie! You are saying “by works you can keep your grace”

Your quote:
“True, but many today fail to understand that Scripture teaches that we only have access to His grace as long as we remain abiding in the New Covenant.”

If it is by “Doing Something” it is no longer Grace!

That is NOT the Simplicity in “Christ”!


No body can earn or keep grace!

Saving Grace is a Gift and not earn.

You cannot do nothing to receive “Saving Grace”, Salvation is A “Gift” Grace is a “Gift”
FAITH is A “GIFT” also! Not earn!

You cannot Muster up to have “FAITH” to believe in “ChRIST” that has to be Given!

That is why “How Sweet it is” That Saved a Wretch Like Me! Evidently you do not understand The Song! “AMAZING GRACE”! And it does not have the power manifested in you!

But to remain in True “Koinonia” with GOD and other True Sons of GOD, you must remain in the Vine where The Sap flows! For Disobedience the fellowship is broken but not destroyed!

It will be repaired, it is a Promise that cannot be broken!

“written in “The New Covenant”, a Divine Contact “Sealed” by The SPIRIT of GOD “The ADVOCATE” and purchased by the Blood of “The SON of GOD! That makes “3 Witiness”. “The FATHER, The SON and The HOLY GHOST”!

Sign Sealed and Delivered!

For He is Good Shepherd! he will leave The 99 and go after The Strays!

And the best thing about, HE knows where they are act and knows how to bring them back home. They belong to HIM, He Bought and Paid a Price and He Is Able because HE is “GOD”!

And He is An Expert on “Run Away Slaves”!

 

[PloughBoy]

So...you intend that the rocks Moses smote was ACTUALLY Jesus? If so, then you also believe that God is a giant bird because many passages say He has feathers.

If you can't tell the difference between what is literal and what is meant to be taken as figurative, then how can anyone here ever take you seriously?

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Now Bill, you got to laugh ok, “GOD got Feathers”
Now laugh Bill! Ok, response to The post but laugh! I ain’t ain’t never heard than one before.

I going to have to look that one up!

I heard beneath his wings But I have never heard about “Feathers” in that context.

Not one dull moment on, “TALKJESUS. COM”!

 

[PloughBoy]

Now Bill, you got to laugh ok, “GOD got Feathers”
Now laugh Bill! Ok, response to The post but laugh! I ain’t ain’t never heard than one before.

I going to have to look that one up!

I heard beneath his wings But I have never heard about “Feathers” in that context.

Not one dull moment on, “TALKJESUS. COM”!

Yep, the bible mention about HIS feathers.

Pslams 91: 4
New King James Version
He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler.

New American Standard Bible
He will cover you with His pinions, And under His wings you may take refuge; His faithfulness is a shield and wall.

It was funny how he presented though.

We will give him a little break on that Metaphor! You grade him.

But do not give him an “A”, he should had said a “Giant Yellow Bird”

 

[Shaolin]

If what you say here is true, then the bible teaches a lie! You are saying “by works you can keep your grace”

Your quote:
“True, but many today fail to understand that Scripture teaches that we only have access to His grace as long as we remain abiding in the New Covenant.”

If it is by “Doing Something” it is no longer Grace!

That is NOT the Simplicity in “Christ”!


No body can earn or keep grace!

Saving Grace is a Gift and not earn.

You cannot do nothing to receive “Saving Grace”, Salvation is A “Gift” Grace is a “Gift”
FAITH is A “GIFT” also! Not earn!

You cannot Muster up to have “FAITH” to believe in “ChRIST” that has to be Given!

That is why “How Sweet it is” That Saved a Wretch Like Me! Evidently you do not understand The Song! “AMAZING GRACE”! And it does not have the power manifested in you!

But to remain in True “Koinonia” with GOD and other True Sons of GOD, you must remain in the Vine where The Sap flows! For Disobedience the fellowship is broken but not destroyed!

It will be repaired, it is a Promise that cannot be broken!

“written in “The New Covenant”, a Divine Contact “Sealed” by The SPIRIT of GOD “The ADVOCATE” and purchased by the Blood of “The SON of GOD! That makes “3 Witiness”. “The FATHER, The SON and The HOLY GHOST”!

Sign Sealed and Delivered!

For He is Good Shepherd! he will leave The 99 and go after The Strays!

And the best thing about, HE knows where they are act and knows how to bring them back home. They belong to HIM, He Bought and Paid a Price and He Is Able because HE is “GOD”!

And He is An Expert on “Run Away Slaves”!

No, that is not what I am saying...and you demonstrate that you believe in false doctrine straight out of calvinism.

Every covenant has covenant law, and the covenant law of the New Covenant is the Law of Christ. If you do not walk in obedience to the law of Christ, then you are no longer abiding in Christ, the New Covenant. And in that case, you do not have saving grace. Scripture speaks of two kinds of grace: common grace (the love of God for all mankind), and covenant saving grace, which you ONLY have IF you are abiding in Christ.

When Paul speaks of law, you have to be spiritual enough to understand which law he is speaking about, for example:

Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

But in chapter two he says...

Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

By your comment, you demonstrate that you can't tell which law Paul addresses at what time. In Rom. 3:20 he speaks of the law of Moses, the 10 commandments - no one today can be justified by obedience to this law because it has been done away with and replaced by the law of Christ. In Rom. 2:13 he speaks of the law of Christ - to see it any other way is to say that Paul is either crazy, confused, or contradicting himself. He is NOT contradicting himself.

You are still under law today, it is just a different law...and if you dismiss that clear Biblical fact, then you demonstrate yourself (again) to be a false teacher.

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