Why Jesus could not condemn the Woman who was caught in the very act of adultery?

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It wouldn't be unlawful. It was the law. Jesus didn't tell them it would be unlawful.

Hello @God's Truth,

Please read what I actually said, and you will see that I did not say that.

 

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You don't know that Jesus came to make a new law, a New Covenant?

What you are saying is not true, for you are adding things not in the scriptures, for Jesus could have said what you said, but he didn't.

Jesus came and made a new covenant, and we can see this in his other teachings too, when the old law says eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth...what does Jesus say? Think about it. There are more like that. The new law is the old law with some changes. See Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hello @God's Truth,

I suggest you actually read what I have written, and stop wrongfully accusing.

 

[God's Truth]

Can you cite an example in the Book of Acts where they had prepped sinners to know what sins they need to repent of before they preached the gospel to them?

What? BEFORE they preached the gospel to them? The gospel is about repenting of sins to be saved. Do you understand what the gospel is? Do you know it began with John's baptism of repentance?

You specified Acts, so here are some scriptures for you to see that we have to do right to be saved.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

There is so many more scriptures to prove it to you.

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @God's Truth,

I suggest you actually read what I have written, and stop wrongfully accusing.

You are the one falsely accusing me of not reading what you said. That kind of defense of false accusations, it is no defense for the truth.

 

[God's Truth]

Since that promise is open ended and can never be finished, Jesus spoke against it here.

What are you talking about?

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

That is about not swearing.

However, when someone wants to be saved, they have to promise to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus.


Water baptism is a symbol, and it is a pledge.

1 Peter 3:20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.

 

[God's Truth]

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Paul is teaching not to be talked into doing the old works of the law, which are the purification works.
The Galatians were talked into observing special days and getting circumcised in this flesh.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

We have to believe in Jesus. That means we have to believe that we have to obey what this man named Jesus says to do.

Actually, in regards to the Book of James, it is the church sharing their faith in God's Providence to the poor for God without works that is dead. Faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is without works, les any man should boast.

The only time ‘faith alone’ is mentioned in the Bible, it is to tell us what kind of faith not to have.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

That “dead faith” is NOT the most important kind of faith ever known. Faith alone without works is dead. Our faith must be alive. Faith with obedience is living faith, it is a live faith.

When sinners are slaves to sin,

If they want to be saved, they have to be a slave to righteousness.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

As it is, if they were instructed of what all sins were that they need to repent of before they can preach the gospel, I am sure sinners will either fall sleep or walk away.

You really think that? You think that people didn't have to know what their sins were?

Since you asked about scriptures in Acts, here are some more:

Acts 19:18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and showed their deeds.

Acts 19:19 And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books and burned them in front of everyone. When the value of the books was calculated, it came to fifty thousand drachmas.

I can see the hope in Him for newly saved believers but for sinners to do that before they are saved? That would mean they were born again by the will of the flesh and the will of man, would it not?

I have not watched the video, but, from the picture showing, it looks emotional.

Excuse me but, watching something and getting emotional about it will not get a person saved.

A person has to confess their sins to Jesus and repent of them.

John 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

You have a lot of faith alone talking points from teachers of your choice. I would like to discuss them further with you.

Sinners can be honest, and when they are looking at themselves in knowing what a rotten sinner they are, a dog even, unable to stop returning to his vomit, they need to see that hope in Jesus Christ to derstroy the work of the devils in their lives and not just believing in Him for eternal life.

There is a Way, and Jesus teaches us.
Look what Jesus taught when he walked the earth.
Salvation comes to those who repent of their sins, and the gospel started with John the baptizer.

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the LORD.

 

[GodB4Us]

What? BEFORE they preached the gospel to them? The gospel is about repenting of sins to be saved. Do you understand what the gospel is? Do you know it began with John's baptism of repentance?

You began this exchange of our discussion with instructing sinners with what sin is for them to repent of, right? I just don't see that in scripture.

You specified Acts, so here are some scriptures for you to see that we have to do right to be saved.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

How is the Holy Ghost given to those who obey Him by doing what? Believing in Him.

Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Can be read as the same thing, repenting from unbelief by turning to God in believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

There is so many more scriptures to prove it to you.

Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Still seeing this as turning from unbelief in God to believing in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and then trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him, doing works of repentance.

 

[GodB4Us]

What are you talking about?

Numbers 30:2 is about the person making an oath has to do all that proceeds out of his mouth; God cannot help him keep his oath.

Ecclesiastes 5:4-7 His vow is his work; not God's work. God expect the man to finish His vows and not leave it undone. Open ended vows where one promises to be a good father, or a good husband, cannot ever be finished.

If God could help men keep their vows, then there would be no need to warn believers not to make hasty vows.

That is about not swearing.

Jesus cited how the people of old times had performed their oaths unto the Lord but now He adds for believers not to even swear at all which is to declare the person making the oath the sincerity of performing that oath, but Jesus said the reason why in verse 36; you cannot make one hair white or black; meaning you cannot do His work in you or through you at all. Matthew 5:33-37

However, when someone wants to be saved, they have to promise to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus.

So even before they are saved, they are trying to begin by the flesh and will power to stop sinning by the deeds of the law. If man can really do that, why did Jesus had come?

Water baptism is a symbol, and it is a pledge.

No. Water baptism is not a pledge. Those who water baptize know how to make a sinner make a pledge if that was truly required at water baptism. One cannot pledge something silently when they are not even thinking it.

How do you apply these verses below if believers were to make man made bondages?

2 Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law and if a believer do that, then they are entitled to do the whole law. Where do you think making a vow to God falls under in God's words? The biggest letter of the law.

1 Peter 3:20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.

What Bible version are you using?

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So water baptism does not save any one since Peter deferred from that which puts away the filth of the flesh which is what water does. Peter instead, referred to the answer of a good conscience which is to believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Remember these references?

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

God saves those who believe the preaching of the cross; water baptism not required. He did not wait for sinners to repent from all sins but only the sin of unbelief by believing in Him to be saved. Then they have power to live as His to repent from all sins daily looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin, thereby walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

Here it is again for how we are saved by hearing the gospel ad believing in Him to be saved.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Salvation is by believing in Him as our Savior that we are saved just by simply believing in Him. John 1:12-13 Discipleship is about believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him. Hebrews 12:1-2

 

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New American Standard Bible
This is the third time that I am coming to you. ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY MATTER SHALL BE CONFIRMED.

New American Standard Bible
On the testimony of two witnesses or three witnesses, the condemned shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

New American Standard Bible
“A single witness shall not rise up against a person regarding any wrongdoing or any sin that he commits; on the testimony of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.

John 8: 15-17 (NASB)
15You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone.16But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alonein it, but I and the Father who sentMe. 17Even in your Law it has been written that the testimony of TWO people is ”TRUE”!

New American Standard Bible
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death”

“THE WORD of GOD cannot be Broken”

For JESUS who is “THE Very “WORD of GOD” cannot deny “HIMSELF” neither can He Lie.!

I have already said: I carry “Pearl Handles Colts” Hickok styles. And if have too, I will bring out “The LONG BOW” The English Bow out! Aiming for “The MARK”!

 

[GodB4Us]

Paul is teaching not to be talked into doing the old works of the law, which are the purification works.
The Galatians were talked into observing special days and getting circumcised in this flesh.

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law and if a believer do that, then they are entitled to do the whole law. Where do you think making a vow to God falls under in God's words? The biggest letter of the law.

2 Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

We have to believe in Jesus. That means we have to believe that we have to obey what this man named Jesus says to do.

I submit to you that those who obey Him and obey the gospel do so by believing in Him for all things; for salvation and for living as His.

The only time ‘faith alone’ is mentioned in the Bible, it is to tell us what kind of faith not to have.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

That “dead faith” is NOT the most important kind of faith ever known. Faith alone without works is dead. Our faith must be alive. Faith with obedience is living faith, it is a live faith.

Explain these scripture.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I submit to you again that James was not talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works, but the faith in God's providence to provide for the poor which the church was issuing to the poor to get out of helping the poor without leading by example. It is in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God to provide for the poor is dead in the eyes of the poor as they see the church failing to lead by example by meeting the immediate needs of the poor that from the bounty collected at church service that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

So before you apply that to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, see the context for what James is talking about.

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This church was disrespecting the poor from the beginning of this chapter & James was rebuking another mistreatment of the poor, the church issuing faith in God to provide for the poor to get out of helping the poor after church service.

It is the dead faith of the church's in God to provide for the poor that will not profit the poor nor save the poor from perishing.

James referred to Abraham & Isaac as proof that this was the only kind of faith he was referring to which is about faith in God to provide for His servants and not about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Genesis 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together...

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

That is the faith of Abraham in God's Providence that requires works so if the church issue that to the poor, the church should meet the immediate needs of the poor from the bounty collected at church service that God has provided for the church to run on, including helping the poor.

If they want to be saved, they have to be a slave to righteousness.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

You really think that? You think that people didn't have to know what their sins were?

There is a Christian girl that had believed fornication was only referring to prostitution rather than any sex before marriage. So what do you think sinners need to know in order to repent of when they were not like the Jews were, under the law?

Since you asked about scriptures in Acts, here are some more:

Acts 19:18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and showed their deeds.

Acts 19:19 And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books and burned them in front of everyone. When the value of the books was calculated, it came to fifty thousand drachmas.

I still see that as repentance after salvation, brother.

I have not watched the video, but, from the picture showing, it looks emotional.

Excuse me but, watching something and getting emotional about it will not get a person saved.

I was not inferring that the video was preaching the gospel but showing the life of a saved believer leaning on Jesus in following Him.

A person has to confess their sins to Jesus and repent of them.

I am sure there are some sinners that have sins weighing on their minds for deliverance, but to ask them to repent when they are slaves to sin before salvation, may be leading them away from Him because they may have tried before & failed religiously. So I still say they need to hear that hope in Him that He came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives in setting us free & not just give us eternal life by believing in Him.

You have a lot of faith alone talking points from teachers of your choice. I would like to discuss them further with you.

I cannot name those teachers except refer to scripture. My former teachers led me into bondages that no matter how much I try to do the best I can, I have found my flesh was weak; indeed, I was foolish like the Galatians trying to finish by the flesh what was begun in the Spirit until He had set me free to rest in His New Covenant to me that He will do it and all He asks from me and you is to believe Him.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

There is a Way, and Jesus teaches us.
Look what Jesus taught when he walked the earth.
Salvation comes to those who repent of their sins, and the gospel started with John the baptizer.

Jesus did not say look at the way I am living, but that He is the way. by looking to Jesus trusting in Him is the how and the power for following Him.

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the LORD.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I still say salvation comes first by believing in Him and then running that race daily in living a life of repentance towards God is possible by faith in Jesus Christ.

If you see a sinner walk away from an altar call to repent from all sins, you better ask him or her if they know that Jesus came to save us from our sins ( thus having an abundant life ) and not just to give us eternal life.

 

[God's Truth]

You began this exchange of our discussion with instructing sinners with what sin is for them to repent of, right? I just don't see that in scripture.

You claim people don't know what their sins are, and if they don't know they wouldn't be told?
Well you are wrong.
For Moses has been taught in most the towns, and, see what happened with John the baptizer.

Luke 3:10And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? 11He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. 12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. 14And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.


You know what John the baptizer was arrested for don't you?

How is the Holy Ghost given to those who obey Him by doing what? Believing in Him.

Faith alone is dead. I gave you the scripture that says that.

Can be read as the same thing, repenting from unbelief by turning to God in believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

No, it can't mean the same thing. It says we have to repent and PROVE our repentance with our deeds. That is what Paul says and John the baptizer says the same thing.

Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul was not saved on that road to Damascus when he finally believed, he had to do what Jesus said to do, then he spent the next three days fasting and begging for forgiveness.

The scriptures you gave prove what I said. Paul preached to believe and repent of sins.

 

[God's Truth]

Numbers 30:2 is about the person making an oath has to do all that proceeds out of his mouth; God cannot help him keep his oath.

Ecclesiastes 5:4-7 His vow is his work; not God's work. God expect the man to finish His vows and not leave it undone. Open ended vows where one promises to be a good father, or a good husband, cannot ever be finished.

If God could help men keep their vows, then there would be no need to warn believers not to make hasty vows.

Peter plainly says to pledge to God to die to the sins of the world.

You don't know we are to die to the sins of the world?

We are to make the pledge and we better make sure we keep it.

Jesus cited how the people of old times had performed their oaths unto the Lord but now He adds for believers not to even swear at all which is to declare the person making the oath the sincerity of performing that oath, but Jesus said the reason why in verse 36; you cannot make one hair white or black; meaning you cannot do His work in you or through you at all. Matthew 5:33-37

I already told you we are not to swear. That has nothing to do with repenting of sins and pledging to die to the sins of the world.

You don't know we are to do that?

So even before they are saved, they are trying to begin by the flesh and will power to stop sinning by the deeds of the law.

Even unbelievers can do right. What you are influenced by are by false teachers that teach we can do nothing right. That is not truth. We can do many things Jesus says to do, and when it is seems too hard, he helps.

If man can really do that, why did Jesus had come?

You don't know why Jesus came then?
Jesus came to give us a new covenant, and he taught us how to be a child of God's, how to be an heir,
He shows us how to be reconciled to God.
We are reconciled to God when we receive his Spirit.

No. Water baptism is not a pledge. Those who water baptize know how to make a sinner make a pledge if that was truly required at water baptism. One cannot pledge something silently when they are not even thinking it.

I can't make out what you are talking about.

Water baptism is a symbol, a ceremony, of what has already happened in the person's heart.

Picture how baptism looks…the believer comes to make the pledge to God, to die to the sins of the world; so now standing in the water the believer falls back, as if dead; then, the believer goes under the water, buried; then, the believer rises up out of the water, raises up to live a new life.

Romans explain this perfectly.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.


Water baptism is when the person makes a promise of a good conscience to God in a ceremonial type of way. The person has already made the conscientious acknowledgement to God to stop sinning, but now follows through with obeying God by getting water baptized, by doing the ceremonial act of the promise. Water baptism is a symbol of what has already happened in one’s heart. See 1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

How do you apply these verses below if believers were to make man made bondages?

We are to be bonded to God.

2 Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

That doesn't have to do with what we are discussing.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Did you miss it? False teachers cause people to miss it. Read what Paul says to the Galatians...he says not to be circumcised in the flesh---that is the works we no longer are to do, the purification works of the old law.

No way was Paul rebuking the Galatians for obeying Jesus too much.

What Bible version are you using?

I can use any version you want and still show you the truth. However, I always us KJV when there is a debate about specific doctrines.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So water baptism does not save any one since Peter deferred from that which puts away the filth of the flesh which is what water does. Peter instead, referred to the answer of a good conscience which is to believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Water baptism isn't about a bath, as in the various external baths the Jews used to have to do.

Remember these references?

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul himself was baptized, and he did baptize some. Paul was explaining how he is glad no one said they were baptized unto him. You have been taught by teachers but not by the Teacher. Jesus is the Teacher. Glad though that we can discuss and look at the scriptures, the written Word of God.

God saves those who believe the preaching of the cross; water baptism not required.

The preaching of the cross is preaching about dying to sins!

 

[God's Truth]

Here it is again for how we are saved by hearing the gospel ad believing in Him to be saved.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Read more carefully.
The scripture says with the mouth confession is made.

Jesus says plainly why do you call him Lord and don't do what he says, and that only those who do what his Father says will be saved.

Salvation is by believing in Him as our Savior that we are saved just by simply believing in Him. John 1:12-13 Discipleship is about believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him. Hebrews 12:1-2

Wow. You want the Truth? Listen...

We are blessed as a disciple, family member, and friend if we do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

 

[GodB4Us]

You claim people don't know what their sins are, and if they don't know they wouldn't be told?
Well you are wrong.
For Moses has been taught in most the towns, and, see what happened with John the baptizer.

Luke 3:10And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? 11He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. 12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. 14And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

You know what John the baptizer was arrested for don't you?

Telling people their sins, but specifically the one that got him arrested for was telling the king that it was unlawful to have that woman as his wife.

But let us go to Gentile sinners.

Acts 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

How come they instructs believers to inform Gentile believers to abstain from fornication & other things if they were already told before they were saved what sin was that they needed to repent from?

Faith alone is dead. I gave you the scripture that says that.

Misapplied since James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation that requires works, but if you are going to share your faith to the poor about God providing for the poor on the streets while not caring to share anything from your bulging wallet, then in the eyes of the poor, your faith in God to provide is dead and will not profit the poor nor save the poor when sharing your faith in God to provide for the poor.

I point out that many believers believe as you do and still do not want to read what James was actually addressing in James 2nd chapter. So what teachers did you learn that from?

No, it can't mean the same thing. It says we have to repent and PROVE our repentance with our deeds. That is what Paul says and John the baptizer says the same thing.

Let's look here;

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Now these were Jews that were part of the mob that had crucified Jesus Christ in unbelief. They were pricked in their hearts and asked what they were to do for having crucified Jesus in unbelief. Peter said Repent as in turn from unbelief by believing in Him, for the remission of sins and they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This same Peter preached the same gospel plainer to the Gentiles for how they were to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ as the Gentiles had received the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

The reason I left out water baptism in Acts 2:38 because it convoluted Peter's message to the Jews on how they really got that remission of sins by Whom they had received the gift of the holy Ghost.

Plus, the Gentiles were saved by hearing the word and believing in Him BEFORE coming forward to be water baptized in His name and even before confessing Him with their mouths. Of course, they were commanded to be water baptized afterwards in becoming His disciples, but they were saved just by believing in Him as the Jews had actually done.

Paul was not saved on that road to Damascus when he finally believed, he had to do what Jesus said to do, then he spent the next three days fasting and begging for forgiveness.

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

I do not read anything about begging for forgiveness, nor if he was intentionally fasting either, but I believe Ananias was sent to bear witness that the Lord was going to use Saul for the ministry to the Gentiles. So I believe the route the Lord took was towards that end.

The scriptures you gave prove what I said. Paul preached to believe and repent of sins.

Well, hopefully, you will see how I had applied Acts 2:36-39 & Acts 10:43-44 of what that repentance actually entails which is repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins and the Holy Ghost.

 

[God's Truth]

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law and if a believer do that, then they are entitled to do the whole law.

Circumcision is the smallest letter of the law?
Circumcision was the sign in the flesh that someone was in a Covenant with God and that they did the other purification works of the law.

Where do you think making a vow to God falls under in God's words? The biggest letter of the law.

2 Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

You are confusing the old law's purification works of the law with obeying anything.

I submit to you that those who obey Him and obey the gospel do so by believing in Him for all things; for salvation and for living as His.

Not quite sure what you are saying.
Let me say again, we have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.
We have to believe that we have obey.

Explain these scripture.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

The old law had the purification works of the law to atone for one's soul.
The people had to do those works to justify themselves before God.
We don't have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore, but we still have to obey and repent of our sins.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The Jews used to be able to boast in the purification works of the law.

Galatians 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I have so much to say to you about Abraham. Too much in this post and in this thread. Maybe we can make threads about these very important things.

I submit to you again that James was not talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works, but the faith in God's providence to provide for the poor which the church was issuing to the poor to get out of helping the poor without leading by example.

You are so off course.

It is in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God to provide for the poor is dead in the eyes of the poor as they see the church failing to lead by example by meeting the immediate needs of the poor that from the bounty collected at church service that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

So before you apply that to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, see the context for what James is talking about.

Faith alone is dead. Period.

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This church was disrespecting the poor from the beginning of this chapter & James was rebuking another mistreatment of the poor, the church issuing faith in God to provide for the poor to get out of helping the poor after church service.

Even the demons believe and do something, they shudder!

It is NOT as you say, it is not just about poor people. What are you talking about? You are trying to get around the truth in defense of false teachers teachings.

It is the dead faith of the church's in God to provide for the poor that will not profit the poor nor save the poor from perishing.

James referred to Abraham & Isaac as proof that this was the only kind of faith he was referring to which is about faith in God to provide for His servants and not about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Genesis 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together...

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

That is the faith of Abraham in God's Providence that requires works so if the church issue that to the poor, the church should meet the immediate needs of the poor from the bounty collected at church service that God has provided for the church to run on, including helping the poor.

As I said before, make a thread about Abraham and faith.

There is a Christian girl that had believed fornication was only referring to prostitution rather than any sex before marriage. So what do you think sinners need to know in order to repent of when they were not like the Jews were, under the law?

People need to be taught that sex before marriage is a sin.

I still see that as repentance after salvation, brother.

We must know what we are repenting of---what we will give up---for God.

If you don't know, then you can't say you will follow God.

 

[GodB4Us]

Peter plainly says to pledge to God to die to the sins of the world.

Show the verse that has pledge in the KJV.

You don't know we are to die to the sins of the world?

With His help, yes, which is what running that race is all about in being His disciples.

We are to make the pledge and we better make sure we keep it.

By that pledge is the knowledge of sin and no one will be justified by that pledge. There is no grade A for effort in trying to keep that pledge by the deeds of the law.

I already told you we are not to swear. That has nothing to do with repenting of sins and pledging to die to the sins of the world.

Jesus was also denouncing making oaths, vows, and pledges, and expounding on it by saying not to even swear at all which people do when making ledges to testify to the seriousness of finishing that pledge in His days.

You don't know we are to do that?

I know I am to have confidence in Jesus Christ to finish what He has started to His glory and all He asks from me is to believe in Him that He will help me to follow Him all the way Home.

Even unbelievers can do right. What you are influenced by are by false teachers that teach we can do nothing right. That is not truth. We can do many things Jesus says to do, and when it is seems too hard, he helps.

We cannot do God's work in us or to do good by making a pledge. If we could do that, then Jews would be able to keep the law & Jesus died in vain. ( which He did not because we cannot do it by keeping a pledge )

We either live by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him daily or we are resorting to our own power and our own will in following Him. The latter is the apostasy in these latter days also.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The reason why that apostate Promise Keepers movement went nation wide is because Billy Graham's Crusade was ecumenical also as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.

Hear the gospel that the Graham Crusade still share in like fashion from the late Billy Graham. " It is not going to church every Sunday that is going to save you. It is not by keeping the ten commandments that is going to save you. It is all those who call upon the name of the Lord."

Then the altar call is the opposite of what that gospel that was preached. "if you are not sure you are saved, come forward and make a commitment to follow Christ". <===== What is that? What happened to "If you had called upon the name of the Lord, believe that you are saved !" ???

But no. So it is kind of an oxymoron thing for that altar call because to gain assurance of salvation is by keeping that commitment to follow Christ and to keep that commitment means what? Going to church every Sunday is going to save you. Keeping the ten commandments & more is going to save you because what Jesus taught is higher than the works of the law! Yipe!

In an interview with Tony Snow, Billy Graham doubted that he would be received by Jesus Christ in Heaven because he said he was not always a good Christian. That's what making a commitment to follow Christ does to a saved believer.

Quoting from link:: Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham
SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much.

End of quote.

Now I can not imagine how this pledge of yours will not also sow doubts to one's salvation.

For the sake of avoiding a longer post, I should stop here.

 

[PloughBoy]

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[God's Truth]

I am sure there are some sinners that have sins weighing on their minds for deliverance, but to ask them to repent when they are slaves to sin before salvation, may be leading them away from Him because they may have tried before & failed religiously. So I still say they need to hear that hope in Him that He came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives in setting us free & not just give us eternal life by believing in Him.

Jesus tells us how to get saved, and it is about repent of sins. We have to do what Jesus says, his words are Spirit and life. We have to trust God and not think we know better.

I cannot name those teachers except refer to scripture. My former teachers led me into bondages that no matter how much I try to do the best I can, I have found my flesh was weak; indeed, I was foolish like the Galatians trying to finish by the flesh what was begun in the Spirit until He had set me free to rest in His New Covenant to me that He will do it and all He asks from me and you is to believe Him.

No way were the Galatians foolish for thinking they had to obey Jesus. They were foolish because they were talked into doing the old works of the law, like getting circumcised in the flesh.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Jesus did not say look at the way I am living,

What? Of course we are to be imitators of the way he lived.

but that He is the way.

He teaches us of what to do to get saved.

by looking to Jesus trusting in Him is the how and the power for following Him.

We have to do what he says to do that is how we follow him.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

That scripture means that the enemy Gentiles who did not get circumcised and come into a covenant with God...that Jesus saved them and didn't make them get circumcised before he would save them.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I still say salvation comes first by believing in Him and then running that race daily in living a life of repentance towards God is possible by faith in Jesus Christ.

No such thing as being saved by faith alone, for it is dead.
All the scriptures that say to believe, they don't nullify the scriptures that say to obey.
We have to believe that we have to obey Jesus.

If you see a sinner walk away from an altar call to repent from all sins, you better ask him or her if they know that Jesus came to save us from our sins ( thus having an abundant life ) and not just to give us eternal life.

An altar call? That is your denomination's lingo.
When a person wants to be saved, they go to God through Jesus, and they have come to the throne of God.

 

[God's Truth]

Telling people their sins, but specifically the one that got him arrested for was telling the king that it was unlawful to have that woman as his wife.

But let us go to Gentile sinners.

Acts 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

How come they instructs believers to inform Gentile believers to abstain from fornication & other things if they were already told before they were saved what sin was that they needed to repent from?

There were Jews trying to Get the Christian Gentiles to do the old works of the law, which are the purification works of the law.

Misapplied since James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation that requires works,

Of course he was. Faith alone does not save.

but if you are going to share your faith to the poor about God providing for the poor on the streets while not caring to share anything from your bulging wallet, then in the eyes of the poor, your faith in God to provide is dead and will not profit the poor nor save the poor when sharing your faith in God to provide for the poor.

This isn't just about the poor:

James 2:25 You are wrong about James just speaking about giving to the poor.
Faith alone is dead and isn't the kind of faith that saves.
In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

James and Peter both heard of the false faith alone doctrine people misunderstood Paul as saying.

James calls them foolish, and Peter says they are uneducated and foolish, then he warns people to obey. See 2 Peter 3:16,17.

I point out that many believers believe as you do and still do not want to read what James was actually addressing in James 2nd chapter. So what teachers did you learn that from?

My Teacher is Jesus.

Let's look here;

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Repent of their sins, it was they had to do.

The Jews who believed in Jesus when he walked the earth, they had to repent of their sins.

John's baptism prepared the way for the Lord to come.

We still have to repent of our sins to prepare the way for Jesus to live there.

Now these were Jews that were part of the mob that had crucified Jesus Christ in unbelief. They were pricked in their hearts and asked what they were to do for having crucified Jesus in unbelief. Peter said Repent as in turn from unbelief by believing in Him, for the remission of sins and they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You even quote it and don't see it. They had to repent.

This same Peter preached the same gospel plainer to the Gentiles for how they were to receive the remission of sins by believing in Jesus Christ as the Gentiles had received the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism.

Peter preached the gospel to the Gentiles, Cornelius and his whole household...they were already God fearing and righteous people.

The reason I left out water baptism in Acts 2:38 because it convoluted Peter's message to the Jews on how they really got that remission of sins by Whom they had received the gift of the holy Ghost.

You shouldn't say it convoluted Peter's message.

Plus, the Gentiles were saved by hearing the word and believing in Him BEFORE coming forward to be water baptized in His name and even before confessing Him with their mouths. Of course, they were commanded to be water baptized afterwards in becoming His disciples, but they were saved just by believing in Him as the Jews had actually done.

Again, Cornelius and his household were God fearing and righteous people. Cornelius prayed to God regularly.

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

I do not read anything about begging for forgiveness, nor if he was intentionally fasting either, but I believe Ananias was sent to bear witness that the Lord was going to use Saul for the ministry to the Gentiles. So I believe the route the Lord took was towards that end.

Are you kidding?

Paul had to do something, he had to do what Jesus said:

Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Paul didn't ear or drink for three days and was still without sight:

Acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.



Can you imagine the prayers of Paul?! Paul no doubt was crying and asking God to forgive him for all his sins.


Acts 9:11 The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying.

Well, hopefully, you will see how I had applied Acts 2:36-39 & Acts 10:43-44 of what that repentance actually entails which is repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins and the Holy Ghost.

No such thing what you preach.
We have to repent of our sins. All our sins.

 

[God's Truth]

Show the verse that has pledge in the KJV.

With His help, yes, which is what running that race is all about in being His disciples.

By that pledge is the knowledge of sin and no one will be justified by that pledge. There is no grade A for effort in trying to keep that pledge by the deeds of the law.

Jesus was also denouncing making oaths, vows, and pledges, and expounding on it by saying not to even swear at all which people do when making ledges to testify to the seriousness of finishing that pledge in His days.

I know I am to have confidence in Jesus Christ to finish what He has started to His glory and all He asks from me is to believe in Him that He will help me to follow Him all the way Home.

We cannot do God's work in us or to do good by making a pledge. If we could do that, then Jews would be able to keep the law & Jesus died in vain. ( which He did not because we cannot do it by keeping a pledge )

We either live by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him daily or we are resorting to our own power and our own will in following Him. The latter is the apostasy in these latter days also.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The reason why that apostate Promise Keepers movement went nation wide is because Billy Graham's Crusade was ecumenical also as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.

Hear the gospel that the Graham Crusade still share in like fashion from the late Billy Graham. " It is not going to church every Sunday that is going to save you. It is not by keeping the ten commandments that is going to save you. It is all those who call upon the name of the Lord."

Then the altar call is the opposite of what that gospel that was preached. "if you are not sure you are saved, come forward and make a commitment to follow Christ". <===== What is that? What happened to "If you had called upon the name of the Lord, believe that you are saved !" ???

You will have to speak Bible scriptures to me, not your denomination's practices.

But no. So it is kind of an oxymoron thing for that altar call because to gain assurance of salvation is by keeping that commitment to follow Christ and to keep that commitment means what? Going to church every Sunday is going to save you. Keeping the ten commandments & more is going to save you because what Jesus taught is higher than the works of the law! Yipe!

Jesus doesn't command us to go to church every Sunday. You thinking about the teachings of men.
You sound very confused. Could you explain what you mean?

Jesus' words are Spirit and life. We receive the Spirit and life if we do what he says to do.

In an interview with Tony Snow, Billy Graham doubted that he would be received by Jesus Christ in Heaven because he said he was not always a good Christian. That's what making a commitment to follow Christ does to a saved believer.

Quoting from link:: Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham
SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much.

End of quote.

Now I can not imagine how this pledge of yours will not also sow doubts to one's salvation.

For the sake of avoiding a longer post, I should stop here.

You want to speak about men who were taught by a denomination, or do you want to preach what Jesus taught?