A major deception that has consumed the churches

[Godbehonored]

John 14:13-14 is hardly an invitation to pray to Jesus.

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Jesus was actually saying we are to ask the Father, so our prayers are to be directed to the Father. We certainly use the name Jesus but like Jesus said, we are praying to the Father in the name of Jesus. Ephesians 5:20 andthe likes of the Scriptures Godb4Us quoted all testify that we are to pray to the Father, give thanks to the Father etc in the name of Jesus. Nowhere are we told to pray and give thanks to Jesus directly.

 

[Godbehonored]

GodB4Us claims: Jesus was answering the Samaritan woman's statement about where to worship God at, in the mountains as her people did, or in Jerusalem as the Jews do, and Jesus answers is God is a Spirit as referring to His Omnipresence for when now because Jesus had come, believers can worship God the Father anywhere by coming to the Son in honoring the Son in worship as that is the only way to honor God the Father by.

Oh sure, but why didn't Jesus make it crystal clear we are to worship both Father and Son since it is soooo important that we worship Jesus too? There is not a single verse anywhere that says we are to worship the Son as a form of worshipping the Father - thats human teaching.

 

[Godbehonored]

Godbe4Us claims: Do note how God the Father judges no man but render a standard of judgment regarding His Son that the only way to honor the Father is by honoring the Son. John 5:22-23 Just as the only way to glorify God the father is by glorifying the Son Whose name is above every other name Philippians 2:5-11 and that is the mind of Christ you are to have in worship. You cannot honor nor glorify the Father by any other way for the glory of God rests on His Son

True, that God committed all judgment to His Son. True that we are to honor the Son above all creation, that is the Father's appointed order. However neither of these indicates that Jesus is to be worshipped. We are to honor human authority as well because God appointed them. God appointed human judges too. That is a FAR CRY to claim we are suddenly to worship them.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.

By the logic of Godbe4Us, we are to worship our father and mother too because we are commanded to honor them. Clearly that isn't the case.

 

[Godbehonored]

Godbe4Us claims: To deny Jesus is the Christ ( God ) is to deny the Father. How can those who deny Jesus is the Christ is also denying the Father unless Jesus is God?

The term Christ doesnt mean God or deity, it means Messiah. Denying Jesus is the Messiah is the problem here. I didn't deny that. Those who deny Jesus is the Messiah is denying the Father because it was the Father who sent him as the messiah. It has nothing to do with being God. Lol at the stretch of human logic.

 

[Godbehonored]

Philippians 2:5-11 is exactly the reason why Jesus is not to be worshipped. When the Word became flesh, the form of divinity was stripped and Jesus was fully mortal and not God. To say otherwise is to say Jesus cannot have died for our sins since God cannot die a mortal death. If Jesus had a divine nature he cannot truly die. The Gnostics denied the mortal death of Jesus and now if any start claiming that Jesus was deity, it is no different from denying that Jesus died a mortal death.

Before anyone start throwing the phrase Jesus is both God and man, let me make it clear that there is NOT ONE VERSE in the Gospel that testify that Jesus had dual natures. What the Gospel did say is Jesus was fully man, and the Spirit of God came upon him. If Jesus already had the divine nature in him when he walked the earth why did the Spirit of God need to descend upon him? Why did he need the Spirit of God to perform miracles if he was already divine? Why did he say I am not able of Myself to do anything (John 5:30) if he was both God and man?

And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Mark 10:18

If Jesus is both God and man, he made a very confusing statement in Mark 10:18. Why deny that he is divinity by saying that only God is good? If Jesus is indeed God and man, he would not have said Why do you call me good.

 

[GodB4Us]

Philippians 2:5-11 is exactly the reason why Jesus is not to be worshipped. When the Word became flesh, the form of divinity was stripped and Jesus was fully mortal and not God.

So the NLT is your Bible version? That explains a lot. There is an inconsistency in using that translation though because your version did say he was God and yet did not think of equality with God as something to cling to??? .

Philippians 2:5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges[b];
he took the humble position of a slave[c]
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,[d]
8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Doesn't explain why His name is above very other name that we are to take a knee to as in worship, does it?

Here is what the His words actually conveys as truth in the KJV that Jesus did not consider it robbery in being equal with God.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

To say otherwise is to say Jesus cannot have died for our sins since God cannot die a mortal death. If Jesus had a divine nature he cannot truly die. The Gnostics denied the mortal death of Jesus and now if any start claiming that Jesus was deity, it is no different from denying that Jesus died a mortal death.

Jesus as God had the power to lay His life down and power to take it up again.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. KJV

John 10:17 “The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. 18 No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” NLT

Both the KJV & the NLT says the same thing.

 

[Godbehonored]

The book of Philippians was not saying Jesus is to be worshipped as God but rather He is appointed as Lord over all creation. Bowing down at the name of Jesus is an acknowledgement of the authority that God has given to him. To the glory of the Father makes it clear that Jesus does not receive the glory but the Father does.

 

[Godbehonored]

John 10:17 cannot contradict other Scriptures that say it was the Father who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus never raised himself from the dead. I will quote the verse later.

Did Jesus have the power to take up his life at the time of what he said in John 10:17? Yes, but that was because the Spirit of God was in him, not because he was God. Even his disciples could raise the dead as seen in Matthew:

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:8

So are we to start worshipping all of Jesus’ disciples now as God because they have the power to raise the dead? No!

 

[Godbehonored]

It was the Father who raised Jesus from the dead.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

How confusing it is for those who believe in the falsehood that Jesus is to be worshipped as God! Did Jesus raise himself from the dead if he is God or did the Father raise him?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I know the majority of churches believe in One God manifested in three persons (or spirit beings). But there is a major deception about this that the religion of Christianity has not been aware of.

First I’ll share a video on the origin of the pagan trinity concept, it goes as far back as Nimrod and his pagan Babylon. Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz was the first pagan trinity concept to be introduced to mankind.

So why is the trinity a false doctrine and a potentially dangerous lie planted by the devil himself? I will show Scriptures and Gospel verses to back up what I am expositing.

The first concept that is wrong in trinity is that God exists as three coequal persons. That is not the truth. Paul said in 1 Corinthians that the one true God is the Father. He went on to say that the head of Christ is God, so it’s obvious Christ and God are NOT coequal.

What is the true relationship between the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

The Father is the ONE God as apostle Paul said, because He is the only one who was never created. Jesus on the other hand, is the firstborn of all creation, the CREATED Word and subservient to the Father. The Holy Spirit was never called a “he” in the original transcripts, the English translation failed to take into account the masculine and feminine forms of the word “it” and mistranslated it as “he”. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and we belong to Christ because we have the Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Christ is also the Spirit of God not because Christ and God are coequal but because Jesus was the first to have the Spirit of the Father dwelling in his flesh in fullness.

It was the Father who existed from eternity, the only one who is rightfully called God. He was alone until He first created/begot His Word whom He called His only begotten Son. The Father then created the world by His Word and then sent His Word to become flesh as the atonement of sin.

Why is the trinity doctrine so dangerous? Because the Gospel (verses like Matthew 28:19 and the likes that talk about trinity) had been deliberated altered by Roman Catholics in the third century to worship THREE nameless spirits who are coequal called the father son and holy spirit. The only name used by early Christians to baptise and preach was the name Yahushua/Jesus. The book of Acts said people are baptised into the name of Yahushua/Jesus. So what is the actual name of the father son and Holy Spirit? It’s unclear and unknown!

Why is the idea of God being three coequal spirit beings so largely promoted and taught as truth? Because in the book of revelation there are THREE unclean spirits coming from the mouths of the dragon, beast and false prophet. So the trinity is nothing more than a lie planted to deceive the mass of Christians into worshipping the THREE unclean spirits in the book of revelation as One God!

Relevant Bible verses as follows:

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, - how can God be three persons when Paul says there is but one God?

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God - how can God be three coequal persons when Paul says God is the head of Jesus?

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation - how can God be three coexisting persons when Jesus as the Word was the first to be created?

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. - Jesus Christ is the name reserved only for Jesus, the Holy Spirit was never named Jesus Christ. So what IS the actual name of the father, son and HS as proclaimed by Roman Catholicism? It is unknown!

Revelation 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. - Is it not possible that the ENTIRE Christendom is led to worship three unclean spirits under the trinity doctrine?

You must remember that for every thing God has given us, satan has come up with a counterfeit....so if you see something that satan offers us, God has the real thing....satan came up with a counterfeit trinity.....so....If Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, as shown by scripture....
Genesis 6:3

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

2 Samuel 23:2
The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

1 Kings 18:12
And it shall come to pass, as soon as I am gone from thee, that the Spirit of the Lord shall carry thee whither I know not; and so when I come and tell Ahab, and he cannot find thee, he shall slay me: but I thy servant fear the Lord from my youth.

Job 27:3
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Proverbs 1:23
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Isaiah 44:3
For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

The Father is also one with Jesus... Both the Father and Jesus have promised to send/ put His Spirit upon and in us....so how many Spirits of God are there? ONE.....To say the Holy Spirit is not the Father/ Not Jesus is wrong. That would be akin to saying that the spirit of Godbehonored is not Godbehonored but is someone else.... But The spirit of God IS the spirit of Jesus.....You cannot separate them...They are ONE.

So my friend....you have listened and bent the knee to satans teaching.

 

[Godbehonored]

I forgot to address another point of John 10:17. Jesus said he had the power to both lay down his life and take it up.

I already proven that Jesus had the power to take up his life because the Spirit of God was in him, not because he was God. His disciples shared this power to raise the dead as seen in Matthew 10:18 but none of his disciples were divine. The power to raise the dead came from the Father, who was in Jesus.

What about laying down his life? Does he need to be God to have power to lay down his life? No. Even I can lay down my life as a mortal being. Does that make me God now? How ridiculous! Jesus is mortal so he definitely can lay down his life and with the power of his Father he can also take up his life. NONE of these proves that Jesus is divine when he walked the earth.

 

[Godbehonored]

You must remember that for every thing God has given us, satan has come up with a counterfeit....so if you see something that satan offers us, God has the real thing....satan came up with a counterfeit trinity.....so....

Read everything I posted and determine for yourself what the Gospel actually said.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Read everything I posted and determine for yourself what the Gospel actually said.

Read the Word and see for yourself what it actually says and don't trust YouTube for the truth...YouTube cancells people for telling the truth.

 

[Godbehonored]

By claiming that Jesus is God (immortal), people like Godbe4Us make the following error as pointed out by the apostle John:

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

There is absolutely zero Gospel verse that prove Jesus had dual natures of mortality and immortality in him. What the Gospel does say is he was mortal and the Spirit of God came upon him. It makes no sense either because what is immortal cannot suffer a mortal death. Isn’t that what immortality means? Jesus did suffer a mortal death so that alone negates all claims that he was God (immortal).

What people are saying when they say Jesus was immortal, however, is to subtly deny that he was truly flesh. John the apostle said such a claim originates from the antichrist.

 

[Godbehonored]

Read the Word and see for yourself what it actually says and don't trust YouTube for the truth...YouTube cancells people for telling the truth.

I posted a lot of the Scriptures that proves the trinity as a lie. I never came to conclusions solely based on YT.

 

[GodB4Us]

The book of Philippians was not saying Jesus is to be worshipped as God but rather He is appointed as Lord over all creation. Bowing down at the name of Jesus is an acknowledgement of the authority that God has given to him. To the glory of the Father makes it clear that Jesus does not receive the glory but the Father does.

That is not what I am reading in Philippians 2:5-11 in the KJV, Sir. I dare say, the NLT says almost the same thing once you compare with the KJV to see the inconsistency in the NLT that it has to be as the KJV has it.

Since God as God will not share His glory with another and that He alone will do it, and there is no one beside Him, then the Father & the Son & the Holy Ghost are One as God for the words of Jesus to be true.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I posted a lot of the Scriptures that proves the trinity as a lie. I never came to conclusions solely based on YT.

Well You do have the right to believe what you will. I choose to believe the Word and not YouTube Obviously you did base a lot on YouTube because you posted the YT clip

 

[GodB4Us]

I forgot to address another point of John 10:17. Jesus said he had the power to both lay down his life and take it up.

I already proven that Jesus had the power to take up his life because the Spirit of God was in him, not because he was God.

For what you say to be true, per His own words, then for Him to tell the truth, He would testify to the Spirit of the Father, would He not? But instead He claimed He had the power.

His disciples shared this power to raise the dead as seen in Matthew 10:18 but none of his disciples were divine. The power to raise the dead came from the Father, who was in Jesus.

His disciples had power to cast out demons but something went awry along the way when "they" could not do it. They had asked Jesus why "they" could not d it and He said this kind cannot go out except through prayer and fasting; meaning giving submissions to God and denying you had any part in what God is about to do.

The demons called Legion, knew He was God when they had confronted Him; I doubt any demon or unclean spirit ever made a commotion about any of His disciples.

What about laying down his life? Does he need to be God to have power to lay down his life? No. Even I can lay down my life as a mortal being. Does that make me God now? How ridiculous! Jesus is mortal so he definitely can lay down his life and with the power of his Father he can also take up his life. NONE of these proves that Jesus is divine when he walked the earth.

When you consider the several times He had made His claim to deity when they could have stoned Him to death for blasphemy, one may see His power to escape death at their hands and when it was time, He allowed Himself to be crucified in giving His life as a ransom for many

 

[Godbehonored]

Well You do have the right to believe what you will. I choose to believe the Word and not YouTube Obviously you did base a lot on YouTube because you posted the YT clip

I didn’t even listen to the entire clip because most of them were talking not about Scriptures but the background on the trinity concept. I did examine the comments and the commentary document which has a WEALTH of Scriptures that prove the trinity as falsehood. I posted them all here on top of other Scriptures I myself quoted. If you truly read the Word you would have seen the lie.

 

[Godbehonored]

Godbe4Us doesn’t even believe what he quotes.

Philippians 2:11

and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

It was the Father who received the glory, Jesus didn’t. So obviously Jesus isn’t God. If he was God he would have received the glory TOGETHER with his Father.