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By claiming that Jesus is God (immortal), people like Godbe4Us make the following error as pointed out by the apostle John:

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

There is absolutely zero Gospel verse that prove Jesus had dual natures of mortality and immortality in him. What the Gospel does say is he was mortal and the Spirit of God came upon him. It makes no sense either because what is immortal cannot suffer a mortal death. Isn’t that what immortality means? Jesus did suffer a mortal death so that alone negates all claims that he was God (immortal).

What people are saying when they say Jesus was immortal, however, is to subtly deny that he was truly flesh. John the apostle said such a claim originates from the antichrist.
And anti-KJVers wonder why we should only rely on the KJV for the meat of His words as I have been saying.

Let's go back a Book and see what John is really talking about in 2 John 1:7 because this is about testing the spirits in regards to our faith in knowing where Jesus Christ presently dwells at

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

What the apostle John is saying in verse 2 is the same as what Paul is saying here below;

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

We can know that this is what John was really talking about in testing the spirits by what we read next.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

See that? The testimony here in testing the spirits is that Jesus Christ is in us and not outside of us in the world and certainly not coming over a believer again and again and again by its visitations of signs & lying wonders. Indeed, those who promote another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues are committing spiritual adultery for why that tongue is not coming with interpretation & thus assumed for private use as they speak gibberish nonsense as the world speaks in pagan's supernatural tongue which can be found in Roman idolatries, the occult ( Isaiah 8:19 ) world's religions, & cults within Christianity.


1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So when John says...

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. KJV

This is about abiding in Him as His disciples; this is not testifying they are not saved or they were never brothers at all.

I know you will probably not read this whole thing and so I will leave it to God to lead you to look up these passages about the falling away from the faith in these latter days 1 timothy 4:1 & 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 where in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15, Paul reminds believers of the traditions taught of us is that we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and no other times so that we know it is a lie to receive the holy Ghost again apart from salvation or for sinners to seek after the Holy Spirit as proof or a sign that they are saved because of what Jesus said here in Matthew 12:39-40.

Even though Paul mentions a damnation in verse 12 of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 of those going astray, he goes on to address those that have fallen away from the faith & walk disorderly as they do in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement and even some do a fall in seeking another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, that we are commanded to withdraw from them, but not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers.


2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Unless they depart from this iniquity, then they run that risk of damnation of being left behind and becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House when they are resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth 2 Timothy 2:19-21 So the NLT would damn them as having no relationship but the KJV is about they have a relationship but they are not abiding in Him at this time as they are at risk of damnation of becoming vessels unto dishonor but still in His House unless they repent with His help before the Bridegroom comes.

Anyway, 2 John 1:7 is really about were Jesus Christ is presently and that in according to our faith, He is in us. John was never talking about the heresy that Jesus never came in the flesh even though church history records such a heresy but that was not what the apostle John was actually talking about back then earlier than church history
 
Godbe4Us doesn’t even believe what he quotes.

Philippians 2:11

and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

It was the Father who received the glory, Jesus didn’t. So obviously Jesus isn’t God. If he was God he would have received the glory TOGETHER with his Father.
You should consider that you are reading that in according to your beliefs since the knee being bowed to is to Jesus..

How do you apply this verse?

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
 
GodBe4Us claims: “For what you say to be true, per His own words, then for Him to tell the truth, He would testify to the Spirit of the Father, would He not? But instead He claimed He had the power.”

Who said Jesus didn’t testify to the Spirit of God?

Matthew 12:28 If I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

Jesus admitted himself that he is driving out demons by the Spirit of his Father in the verse above. If he was God and had the power to do this on his own he would say if I drive out the demons by my own spirit/power.
 
Some translations of 2 John 1:7

Many liars have gone out into the world. These deceitful liars are saying Jesus Christ did not have a truly human body. But they are liars and the enemies of Christ.

For many deceivers have gone out into the world. They refuse to acknowledge Jesus the Messiah as having become human. Any such person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Many deceivers have gone out over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and the Enemy of Christ.

How Godbe4Us can choose to interpret this verse as saying Jesus is in his believers is beyond me. This verse clearly talks about Jesus being a mortal/human and how deceivers have denied that Jesus is a human being. The antichrist is active in the professing church, no doubt.
 
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John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

God will glorify His Son, and there are verses that say God will glorify those whom He justified. That doesn’t mean God shared His own glory. That also doesn’t mean that we are now God because God chose to glorify us. Lol

Those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
 
GodBe4Us claims: “For what you say to be true, per His own words, then for Him to tell the truth, He would testify to the Spirit of the Father, would He not? But instead He claimed He had the power.”

Who said Jesus didn’t testify to the Spirit of God?

Matthew 12:28 If I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

Jesus admitted himself that he is driving out demons by the Spirit of his Father in the verse above. If he was God and had the power to do this on his own he would say if I drive out the demons by my own spirit/power.
You do realize that God as God with Three witnesses within that One God is how God can establish a word in creation, bear a true witness, and judge any one since by His words, one witness cannot do it alone. Deuteronomy 17:6 & Deuteronomy 19:15 & John 8:17 & John 5:31 So when Jesus does anything as the Word of God, it is with the Father's permission and the Spirit's in compliance.
 
Unlike what Godbe4Us claims, the law of Moses about the need to have three witnesses is given to MEN. God is not subjected to the law of Moses. The fact that Jesus needed to fulfill this law shows that he is a MAN and not God. Lol

There are also direct verses that even the apostles of Jesus called him a MAN, affirming over and over Jesus is a human being and is mortal. All the verses are from KJV since Godbe4Us claims I am anti KJV lol.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus

Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs
 
Did the legion of demons call Jesus God? No.

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. Mark 1:24 KJV

Calling someone the holy one of God is a far cry from saying he is the holy God.

you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.

The angels of God are just that, angels. So the holy one of God just means that, the holy one. Since the angels of God aren’t called God why do people assume the demons have called Jesus God?
 
Deceived trinitarians claim that only God can pay the penalty of sin so Jesus must be God. Is that true? Apostle Paul had a different teaching:

KJV 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

If the trinitarians were correct, why didn't Paul teach:

For since by man came death, only by God came the resurrection of the dead.

And what about Hebrews?

Hebrews 10:12 KJV But this MAN, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Why didn’t the author of Hebrews write:

“But this God, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever”

???
 
God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

???
 
God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

???

The sad part of all your effort is that several seem to be sent to this site many times a yr to espouse exactly what you have espoused but nobody listens as they are deceived on this matter,
and not a single soul has converted to my knowledge. I myself know I have spent countless hours exposing the falsehood of trinity but nobody has ears to hear.
The strangest thing I found was those in the earlier days of the Catholic church demanded loyalty to the Trinity doctrine and if you did not hold to that then you would be either excommunicated or killed.
Imagine that, the ones who were supposedly the most knowledgable "christians" were murderers over that one issue! But to die for the truth makes one a martyr of Jesus!
 
The sad part of all your effort is that several seem to be sent to this site many times a yr to espouse exactly what you have espoused but nobody listens as they are deceived on this matter,
and not a single soul has converted to my knowledge. I myself know I have spent countless hours exposing the falsehood of trinity but nobody has ears to hear.
The strangest thing I found was those in the earlier days of the Catholic church demanded loyalty to the Trinity doctrine and if you did not hold to that then you would be either excommunicated or killed.
Imagine that, the ones who were supposedly the most knowledgable "christians" were murderers over that one issue! But to die for the truth makes one a martyr of Jesus!

Yes, if that is the case it is indeed very sad! But the lie has been planted for almost 2000 years, who can save them from the lie if they will not listen to the truth?

Strangely enough the man of sin is the man who actually proclaims himself to be God, so the entire Christian world has been trained for generations to finally worship this man of sin by first worshipping Jesus as a God-man. I won’t be surprised then they will be easily deceived once the man of sin starts proclaiming himself to be God and solicit worship from even those deceived Christians. They will fall for it, they have been primed to fall for it.

Jesus said true worshippers will worship the Father, I don’t understand why these deceived Christians insist on adding Jesus to the worship. Jesus clearly said we are to pray to the Father in his name but they insist that we should pray to Jesus too. They don’t even obey what Jesus said. Why do they call Jesus Lord then? If they are obedient to Jesus they will not fall for the lies of the man of sin. But since they are not obedient, God will send them a strong delusion just like it is prophesied.
 
Unlike what Godbe4Us claims, the law of Moses about the need to have three witnesses is given to MEN. God is not subjected to the law of Moses. The fact that Jesus needed to fulfill this law shows that he is a MAN and not God. Lol

There are also direct verses that even the apostles of Jesus called him a MAN, affirming over and over Jesus is a human being and is mortal. All the verses are from KJV since Godbe4Us claims I am anti KJV lol.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus

Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs
What God gave to men, is He a hypocrite then or does not His laws given to men testify to what He does as well as the Triune God?

Jesus said this; words from the Father.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. .... 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So hear the words from the Father through Jesus Christ.


John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

The Father cannot bear witness of Himself but He has been doing so because there are 2 other Witnesses with Him as the One God.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

You can apply this also to Jesus but His words from the Father says for us to testify of the Son in order to glorify the Son because hat is what the Holy spirit has been sent to do.


The apostle John said this about John the Baptist in his testimony.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

John said this about the role of the Holy Ghost through us is to testify of the Son to glorify the Son.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So there is no other way to honor nor glorify God the Father except by honoring and glorifying the Son because the glory of God rests on His Son as God our Redeemer. Below is how God will judge.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Father will not judge but render all judgment on the Son to judge as God in line with the Father's will and the Father's will is for us to honor the Son if we truly seek to honor the Father.

The only way you & I can honor and glorify God the Father is by honoring and glorifying the Son and that has to include worship, brother. There is no way to worship the Father other than by worshiping His Son as God.
 
Does Jesus being worshipped mean he is God?

Revelation 3:9 (KJV) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

See? Even the church in Rev 3:9 will be worshipped by those who are of the synagogue of Satan. Does that make the church God now? Of course not!

In those verses where Jesus is worshipped, the word worshiped is the Greek word proskuneô, which comes from the words prós, which means toward, and kyneo, which means to kiss or adore. They who worship Jesus did not see him as God, but rather the Son, who is superior over all creation. To conclude that Jesus is immortal just because he is worshipped is both error and deception. Rev 3:9 clearly shows even the church will be worshipped.
 
Godbe4Us’s logic: if the Father commands us to honor ABC, we must worship ABC as immortal God or we fail to honor the Father.

“Honor your father and mother”

Let us worship our father and mother as immortal God! To not do so is to not honor the Father! (Sarcasm)
 
Obviously the tagging system is not working for you to read this from that other thread of my reply to another member "complete".

"Another point of truth to be shared here which I am sure you are obviously aware of, but for @Godbehonored 's sake, He is leading me to share this also;

Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Jesus had no need for John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins because Jesus had no sin that He needed to confess of to be remitted of by John the Baptist's water baptism.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Since John the Baptist did not baptized Jesus with the Holy Ghost....what was that anointing for? To fulfill the prophesy of God's witness from Heaven of the Father's witness added with the Holy Spirit's witness of sending God Our Redemer Whom happens to be His Son TO PROCLAIM that acceptable year to start His public ministry to preach the Good News to man of the way they ought to go while performing miracles.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 61:1The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

By adding verse 2 to your reference of Isaiah 61:1, we can see the point of that anointing from God the Father & His Spirit as sending Jesus to proclaim that acceptable year to preach the Good News to man at His water baptism.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And to @Godbehonored I wish to point out that God's witness from Heaven regarding His Son is what the apostle John was referring to for why you should not doubt 1 John 5:7 regarding the 3 Witnesses to be an addition because by taking it out, readers cannot fathom why God's witness from Heaven was and is greater then men's witness in the earth in John 5:9 in the context of 1 John 5:6-9.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. KJV

@Godbehonored Even your translation referenced Jesus's water baptism for why 1 John 5:7 belongs in scripture of God's witness from Heaven being greater than men's witness in the earth.

1 John 5:6 And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross[a]—not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony. 7 So we have these three witnesses[b]— 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. 9 Since we believe human testimony, surely we can believe the greater testimony that comes from God. And God has testified about his Son. NLT

So by taking verse 7 out in the NLT, where is God's witness from Heaven involving 3 Witnesses for God's witness to be true of His Son in order to be understood why God's witness is greater then men's?

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. KJV

John 8:17 Your own law says that if two people agree about something, their witness is accepted as fact.[a] NLT

Thanks to God, I see 1 John 5:7 belong in scripture since it is obvious to me that the apostle John was referring to God's witness from Heaven regarding His Son at His water baptism in Matthew 3:15-17 & you should too.

@complete I hope you will pray for @Godbehonored since he does not believe in the One God as 3 Witnesses within in order for God to bear true witness and to judge any one by."
 
God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.

His avid quoting of Scriptures only shows how indoctrinated he is in the doctrines of men.
 
The fact that Jesus needed witnesses to testify to him being the Savior shows that he is not immortal God but a mortal. He is subject to the law of Moses given to men. God is not subject to the law of Moses.

Since scripture testifies that God is the Saviour & yet also Jesus is the Saviour, then Jesus is God the Saviour Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridegroom..

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.
But Jesus did not sin for why we can say He was not tempted and why He is God.
 
The scriptures that say God is the Savior---they are about God THE FATHER.
Since the scriptures say Jesus is the Savior, then Jesus is God THE FATHER Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridgroom.

Who is our Husband?

Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

Did you read and see that?

God the Father is our Maker, our husband, He is the LORD Almighty, the Holy One of Israel, our Redeemer. He is God.

I can give you scriptures for everything I just said.
@Godbehonored

But you cannot answer the ones about how we will see the Father one day whereby we will not need Jesus as our only Mediator to ask the Father for us therefore God the Father is not just a Spirit.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Confirmation in scripture that there are 2 celestial bodies in that Godhead for why the Word of God made a request to make man in our image and after our likeness and so when the Father permitted it, They along with the compliance of the Holy Spirit, created man after His image and after His likeness as the One God as it takes 2 or 3 Witnesses to establish a testimony whereas in this case, to establish a testimony as in a word in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Jesus said it that it has to be out of different mouths thus different Persons for every word to be established in creation account as in any other testimony for that testimony to be true.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Paul said it that it has to be out of different mouths thus different persons for every word to be established in what he was writing to the Corinthians about.


2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

And that is what had happened in creation as everything was made by the Word of God ( Jesus before His incarnation per John 1:1-14 ) as every word was established in creation by the 3 Witnesses within the One God.
 
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