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The word, "Christain" is not what the early Church called themselves, it was what the world called them. The word, "Christain" means, "Christ-like"
The Church acted like Christ hence the name.
Hence, Matthew 7:21-23; and Matthew 25:1-13. Because to be Christ like is to have the same Spirit (Isaiah 58:6-12; Matthew 25:31+46). Those that are not transformed into His image are none of His (Romans 8:9). They may think they are because they said some magic prayer words or were given a bath, but you shall know them by their fruits.
 
The word, "Christain" is not what the early Church called themselves, it was what the world called them. The word, "Christain" means, "Christ-like"
The Church acted like Christ hence the name.
The word Christin as a denomyn is used to represent people by location .Christian, the more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world named by the finger of God in Acts.(called of God)

In isaiah because all that call themselves Israel are not born again Israel in the same way today not all are Christiann that say they are.

Green ....the virgin bride the church.

Red. the power of of Father.

Brown, Gentiles powerless.

(Purple). . my addition or opinion.

Green. . the bride the church . . .converted mankind. as one new creature called sons of God mankind . . not being what we will when we receive our new incorruptible bodies .

Isaiah 62-1-5King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory : and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, (my delight in her) and thy land Beulah: for the Lord (our husband) delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man (the lord) marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

The the virtue that was lost in the garden will be restored where man and woman were in perfect agreement with one as two walking together, .

A woman protecting the ma Like the judge apostle sent by God Deborah . Men refused to go unless she led the way.

Jerimiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
 
The word Christin as a denomyn is used to represent people by location .Christian, the more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world named by the finger of God in Acts.(called of God)

In isaiah because all that call themselves Israel are not born again Israel in the same way today not all are Christiann that say they are.

Green ....the virgin bride the church.

Red. the power of of Father.

Brown, Gentiles powerless.

(Purple). . my addition or opinion.

Green. . the bride the church . . .converted mankind. as one new creature called sons of God mankind . . not being what we will when we receive our new incorruptible bodies .

Isaiah 62-1-5King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory : and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, (my delight in her) and thy land Beulah: for the Lord (our husband) delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man (the lord) marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

The the virtue that was lost in the garden will be restored where man and woman were in perfect agreement with one as two walking together, .

A woman protecting the ma Like the judge apostle sent by God Deborah . Men refused to go unless she led the way.

Jerimiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
To understand what it is to be a Christian, is the same to understand what it is to be a Jew.

A person can be born into a Jewish family, have the circumcision and still not be a Jew. Hitler is a great example of this.

And a person can call themselves a Christian, be baptiszed, go to church and still not BE Christian. And my example of this is Pres. Biden, as the fruit of his faith is not shared.

Just as with the Jews, our treasure is where our heart is, and our mind and soul is where our heart is.

To be a Real Jew, to be a Real Christian is something that comes from the heart

So going back to the primary question, it is impossible to not BE a Christian and be saved..

A true Christian is ONLY a Christian in the Heart. And there are many in the world, who do not KNOW that they are Christian but ARE, because thier hearts are saturated with the LOVE OF GOD.
 
To understand what it is to be a Christian, is the same to understand what it is to be a Jew.

A person can be born into a Jewish family, have the circumcision and still not be a Jew. Hitler is a great example of this.

And a person can call themselves a Christian, be baptiszed, go to church and still not BE Christian. And my example of this is Pres. Biden, as the fruit of his faith is not shared.

Just as with the Jews, our treasure is where our heart is, and our mind and soul is where our heart is.

To be a Real Jew, to be a Real Christian is something that comes from the heart

So going back to the primary question, it is impossible to not BE a Christian and be saved..

A true Christian is ONLY a Christian in the Heart. And there are many in the world, who do not KNOW that they are Christian but ARE, because thier hearts are saturated with the LOVE OF GOD.
Amen well said
 
After God draws you to Jesus, and you accept the invitation, You are born from above. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. It only means they have a Christian belief system. I had an Angel walk up to me out of nowhere and asked me " you know Jesus don't you" and I said yes I do.. then went away. So I know Jesus and angels know it too.
 
After God draws you to Jesus, and you accept the invitation, You are born from above. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. It only means they have a Christian belief system. I had an Angel walk up to me out of nowhere and asked me " you know Jesus don't you" and I said yes I do.. then went away. So I know Jesus and angels know it too.
Judas accepted the invitation from Jesus to be his follower. And at some point after sending the apostles into the towns to do healings and to remove the demons and after returning they were excited and talking about all the things that had been done and Jesus said not to be excited about that but rather be excited that your names are written in heaven.

Later on Judas through away his salvation for 30 pieces of silver and for an idea that he felt he knew what was best for Jesus

Saint was also created from above, but it did not stop him from taking matters into his own hands and rejecting God
 
Judas accepted the invitation from Jesus to be his follower. And at some point after sending the apostles into the towns to do healings and to remove the demons and after returning they were excited and talking about all the things that had been done and Jesus said not to be excited about that but rather be excited that your names are written in heaven.

Later on Judas through away his salvation for 30 pieces of silver and for an idea that he felt he knew what was best for Jesus

Saint was also created from above, but it did not stop him from taking matters into his own hands and rejecting God
He wasn't born again from above yet.
 
He wasn't born again from above yet.
What does it mean to be born again from above?

And what exactly is Jesus?

Is not Jesus the Word, the Word of God. Anyone who accepts the Word of God into their heart has already received Jesus even though they do not know what they have received.
 
Tell me something, would you say that you are a Christian? What does that mean to say that you are a Christian?
Anybody can say they are a Christian, it just means they believe in Jesus, whether J.W.'s, Mormons, or any cult.

What does it mean to be born again from above?

And what exactly is Jesus?

Is not Jesus the Word, the Word of God. Anyone who accepts the Word of God into their heart has already received Jesus even though they do not know what they have received.
Amp bible
John 3:3 - Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God..
John 3:5-6 - Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:7-8 - 7 Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above). 8 The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
 
Anybody can say they are a Christian,

"Saying" you are a Christian, doesn't make you a Christian.

There are men in the world who "identify" as women. But that doesn't make them a woman.
There are women in the world who "Identify" as men, but that doesn't make them men.
There are people in the world who "identify" as Christians, but that doesn't make them a Christian.
There are people in the world who identify as sons of God, but that doesn't make them a son of God.
 
"Saying" you are a Christian, doesn't make you a Christian.

There are men in the world who "identify" as women. But that doesn't make them a woman.
There are women in the world who "Identify" as men, but that doesn't make them men.
There are people in the world who "identify" as Christians, but that doesn't make them a Christian.
There are people in the world who identify as sons of God, but that doesn't make them a son of God.
Didn't I say what you said? Or are you agreeing with me.
 
Anybody can say they are a Christian, it just means they believe in Jesus, whether J.W.'s, Mormons, or any cult.


Amp bible
John 3:3 - Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God..
John 3:5-6 - Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:7-8 - 7 Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above). 8 The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
You quoted the scripture yourself but did not see it. The scripture States you must be born of water and the Spirit. A person cannot be born of just the spirit they must also receive the baptism of water.

Honey here have been taught and jumped to the conclusion that if you are baptized in the water that you automatically receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that is a false assumption.

Both Jesus and John the Baptist both state that you are given two different baptisms. John says I baptize you with water. And the one that comes after me will baptize you with the Spirit and Fire. Even In This Very reading that you posted it it states both the word both b o t h meaning t w o.
 
"Saying" you are a Christian, doesn't make you a Christian.

There are men in the world who "identify" as women. But that doesn't make them a woman.
There are women in the world who "Identify" as men, but that doesn't make them men.
There are people in the world who "identify" as Christians, but that doesn't make them a Christian.
There are people in the world who identify as sons of God, but that doesn't make them a son of God.
I stated before, that there are people in the world that don't know that they are Christian, but are indeed Christian.

What it means to be Christian is the very same thing it means to be a Jew it is something of the heart not of the head.
 
Jesus is the Word of God (singular), he is NOT the words of God (plural) that is found in scripture. Jesus is not scripture.
 
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that there are people in the world that don't know that they are Christian
It is impossible to be a son of God and not know it.

1Jn 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
 
Curtis, that actually is not correct, amd I thank God for this revelation.

See for yourself:

In Matthew 15:8 we see this very important message:

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Then, in 1 John 4:3 we were given this very important message:

Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

In their days, believers were killed for their faith. If they denied Jesus they'd live, if not, they were killed. It is not like that everywhere today, which means that scriptures have separate interpretations according to the age as well and this is a very important distinction to discern if there is huge religious conflict or misunderstanding, because it gives us sight of the actual truth and the understanding of Jesus.

John 14:21 KJV​

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Ohhh, what a revelation this is! Jesus makes no distinction of religion--only his commandments--those that walk with Him in Spirit and in Truth:

1 John 2:3
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
 
You quoted the scripture yourself but did not see it. The scripture States you must be born of water and the Spirit. A person cannot be born of just the spirit they must also receive the baptism of water.

There is nothing we can do to get ourselves saved and it includes getting wet . We are to edify Christ who has the power to save not our own selves.

Yes both the water and the spirit . called the water of the word .The doctrines that fall from above (inspired from ) not earthly , literal water.

Deuteronomy 32:1-2King James Version Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass

All forms of living water are used in the parable .We know its a parable by the use of the word as used 4 times .As to indicate the unseen work . Not is rain dropping or not is dew distilling or is the shower that causes born again growth .Words empowered cause born again growth

The same doctrines that make up the gospel that we are to wash our wives with just as he washes us his bride.

Ephesians 5:25-27King James Version25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Proverbs which are moral parables seem to support the idea . . words as water

Proverbs 18:4 The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook

You could say the deep things of God inspired from above not earthly corrupted. . H20
 
There is nothing we can do to get ourselves saved and it includes getting wet . We are to edify Christ who has the power to save not our own selves.

Yes both the water and the spirit . called the water of the word .The doctrines that fall from above (inspired from ) not earthly , literal water.

Deuteronomy 32:1-2King James Version Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass

All forms of living water are used in the parable .We know its a parable by the use of the word as used 4 times .As to indicate the unseen work . Not is rain dropping or not is dew distilling or is the shower that causes born again growth .Words empowered cause born again growth

The same doctrines that make up the gospel that we are to wash our wives with just as he washes us his bride.

Ephesians 5:25-27King James Version25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Proverbs which are moral parables seem to support the idea . . words as water

Proverbs 18:4 The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook

You could say the deep things of God inspired from above not earthly corrupted. . H20
May the Lord fill us with his wisdom and love

"There is nothing we can do to get ourselves saved"

Is that the "Done" teaching that you're talking about. This is a Theology of the devil. The done teaching believes that there is nothing that you can do, nothing at all that it was all up to Jesus whether or not you're going to be saved. And this is a false teaching.

Everyone knows you have to do something important very very important. You have to accept Jesus as Lord and savior. And that is something that you have to do.

By the way, I have read the original book on the done teaching. And the author contradicts himself a few times in his own book.
 
Curtis, that actually is not correct, amd I thank God for this revelation.

See for yourself:

In Matthew 15:8 we see this very important message:

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Then, in 1 John 4:3 we were given this very important message:

Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

In their days, believers were killed for their faith. If they denied Jesus they'd live, if not, they were killed. It is not like that everywhere today, which means that scriptures have separate interpretations according to the age as well and this is a very important distinction to discern if there is huge religious conflict or misunderstanding, because it gives us sight of the actual truth and the understanding of Jesus.

John 14:21 KJV​

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Ohhh, what a revelation this is! Jesus makes no distinction of religion--only his commandments--those that walk with Him in Spirit and in Truth:

1 John 2:3
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
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