Effeminate men will not inherit the Kingdom of God

[Hekuran]

@Hecuran. A baby is born either as male or female/ in rare occasions a baby born with neither male of female genitalia or parts of other genitalia. People need to be satisfied with what they are Born as.
People Do have a choice as to how they respond To same-sex attractions. Biblically sexual intimacy is only for married couples of opposite sex. Every one else is to refrain from that.

Yes we all make choices about how we act. But we dont get to choose who we are attracted to.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes we all make choices about how we act. But we dont get to choose who we are attracted to.

Just because you're attracted to somebody doesn't mean you have to be SEXUALLY attracted to somebody. We are attracted to other people for their traits and resources all the time. I'm naturally attracted to fitness model with six pack abs 'cause I wanna have six pack abs, that doesn't make me gay. The thing is, if you lust for them in a carnal way, that's a debased mind and contrary to nature. "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his OWN desires and enticed." James 1:14.

 

[Hekuran]

Just because you're attracted to somebody doesn't mean you have to be SEXUALLY attracted to somebody. We are attracted to other people for their traits and resources all the time. I'm naturally attracted to fitness model with six pack abs 'cause I wanna have six pack abs, that doesn't make me gay. The thing is, if you lust for them in a carnal way, that's a debased mind and contrary to nature. "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his OWN desires and enticed." James 1:14.

Sure. But we are talking about sexual attraction here. We don't get to choose who we are and are not attracted to.

And lust isn't the same as desire.

For a straight man like me it can be inconvenient. I am attracted to some women who are married. I cant just switch off my desires, so instead I am careful about how close I get, where and when etc.

Other people are same sex attracted. They can the capacity for self control, to act or not act on their desire, but not to simply change their desire.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Sure. But we are talking about sexual attraction here. We don't get to choose who we are and are not attracted to.

No we’re not. Attraction is natural, mixing in sexual desire is not. That’s an obsession with sex like an addict, a mind in the gutter that can’t think of anything else but sex, can’t see in any other way but a carnal way, so a normal attraction is mistaken as sexual attraction, and that’s not normal no matter how much social engineering Satan has done in the western world to promote it as normal.

 

[Hekuran]

No we’re not. Attraction is natural, mixing in sexual desire is not. That’s an obsession with sex like an addict, a mind in the gutter that can’t think of anything else but sex, can’t see in any other way but a carnal way, so a normal attraction is mistaken as sexual attraction, and that’s not normal no matter how much social engineering Satan has done in the western world to promote it as normal.

Im talking about sexual attraction.

 

[Sue D.]

Sure. But we are talking about sexual attraction here. We don't get to choose who we are and are not attracted to.

And lust isn't the same as desire.

For a straight man like me it can be inconvenient. I am attracted to some women who are married. I cant just switch off my desires, so instead I am careful about how close I get, where and when etc.

Other people are same sex attracted. They can the capacity for self control, to act or not act on their desire, but not to simply change their desire.

When a person finds themselves attracted to the wrong person -- the neighbors husband or wife or a coworker or whomever-- there is always a choice. No-one is forcing you to act on that attraction. Sometimes there are no Easy answers -- but God's Word says it's wrong so do-not act on that attraction. The individual knows when that line is going to be crossed -- so.you don't let it be crossed.

 

[Waggles]

It matters not what the reasons are for people being homosexuals and doing homosexual acts - it is an abomination before God.
Homosexuality just like many other behaviours are of the flesh and contrary to the righteousness of God

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, wraths, factions, divisions, heresies,
21 envyings, drunkennesses, revellings, and the like of these; of which I forewarn you, as also I did forewarn, that they who practice such things shall not inherit God’s kingdom.

 

[Sue D.]

A person who does that as a lifestyle,. Enjoying it -- has a huge problem.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Im talking about sexual attraction.

That’s because what’s supposed to be a normal attraction is mistaken as a sexual attraction.

 

[B-A-C]

Somehow this thread has gotten derailed into homosexuality. There is another recent thread on that.
This thread is about men who want to look like, dress like, and act like women, See post #26 videos
for more details.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Somehow this thread has gotten derailed into homosexuality. There is another recent thread on that.
This thread is about men who want to look like, dress like, and act like women, See post #26 videos
for more details.

Idk, man. I only have one NKJV bible, and in it, there's no "effeminate" in 1 Cor. 6:9, just "fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites." "Homosexual" has taken the place of "effeminate", therefore homosexual becomes equivalent to effeminate, even though we both know that's not the case. It's kind of a bad translation since "homosexuals" and "sodomites" are the same.

 

[Sue D.]

I also have a NKJV and the term effeminate is not used.

 

[Sue D.]

Somehow this thread has gotten derailed into homosexuality. There is another recent thread on that.
This thread is about men who want to look like, dress like, and act like women, See post #26 videos
for more details.

What you're describing are 'drag queens' aren't they? What does the term effeminate really mean.

 

[Hekuran]

The english word "effeminate" is a secondary issue. The more important word is the Greek word Paul uses "malakoi". Literally, it means soft. Figura.tively it can mean the submissive partner in homosexuual sex, or somepne who is morally lax. There are other words Paul could have used if he means cross dressing.

 

[Waggles]

Effeminate men will not inherit the Kingdom of God​

Researching this word brings up quite a different meaning to what has been bandied about in this thread - effeminate in the NT does not refer to males who use nail polish or like Barbie dolls -

effeminate > G3120 μαλακός malakos
1) soft, soft to the touch 2) metaphorically in a bad sense 2a) effeminate 2a1) of a catamite 2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 2a4) of a male prostitute

CATAMITE, n. A boy kept for unnatural purposes.

(WEB) Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Effeminate men will not inherit the Kingdom of God​

Researching this word brings up quite a different meaning to what has been bandied about in this thread - effeminate in the NT does not refer to males who use nail polish or like Barbie dolls -

effeminate > G3120 μαλακός malakos
1) soft, soft to the touch 2) metaphorically in a bad sense 2a) effeminate 2a1) of a catamite 2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 2a4) of a male prostitute

CATAMITE, n. A boy kept for unnatural purposes.

(WEB) Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals

If you take the first meaning, "soft", it's probably the same as "coward" in Rev. 21:8, first on the list being thrown into the Lake of Fire. Not a pretty picture in there.

 

[B-A-C]

Do you think it's a choice you have the capacity to make? Could you personally decide to switch your attraction to men? I don't think I'd be able to.

I don't think people have the power to overcome sin, addictions, and wrong choices on their own.
But I think saying they can never change... "once a drag queen, always a drag queen", is denying the power of God to change people.

2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

 

[B-A-C]

effeminate in the NT does not refer to males who use nail polish or like Barbie dolls -

I think children are a little different. There are "tom-boys". Girls who like playing outside with the boys. A sometimes a younger brother's older sisters might put a dress on him.
I'm not talking about those things. I'm talking about drag queens, men who make a lifestyle choice to have feminine mannerisms.

Deut 22:5; "A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.

As I said earlier, not all Bible translation use the word "effeminate".

1 Corinthians 6:9
(ASV) Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
(BSB) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts,
(CSB) Don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males,
(ESV) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
(GNB) Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God's Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts
(GW) Don’t you know that wicked people won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,
(HCSB) Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality,
(KJV) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(MKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,
(NAS77) Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
(NAS95) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
(NIrV) Don't you know that evil people will not receive God's kingdom? Don't be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts.
(NIV) Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
(NKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
(NLT) Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

(KJV+) (G2228) KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 the unrighteousG94 shall notG3756 inheritG2816 the kingdomG932 of God?G2316 Be notG3361 deceived:G4105 neitherG3777 fornicators,G4205 norG3777 idolaters,G1496 norG3777 adulterers,G3432 norG3777 effeminate,G3120 norG3777 abusers of themselves with mankind,G733

(NAS95+) OrG2228 R1do you not knowG3609a that the unrighteousG94 will not R2inheritG2816 the kingdomG932 of GodG2316? R3Do not be deceivedG4105; R4neitherG3777 fornicatorsG4205, norG3777 idolatersG1496, norG3777 adulterersG3432, norG3777 N1effeminateG3120, norG3777 homosexualsG733a,

I notice some Bibles (such as the New King James for example) say homosexuals and sodomites. However a homosexual is a sodomite, so this is just the same word twice really.
The NLT says homosexuals and male prostitutes, .. but again you are still having sex with a man, so there really is no difference between the words.
The more accurate translations say effeminate and homosexuals. Why are two different words used here? Because they are slightly different things.
The last two verse above, contains the Strong's numbers of the original Greek Manuscripts. This is so you can see where they got the words from. The word for effeminate is different from
the word for homosexual.

μαλακός
malakos
mal-ak-os'
Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.
Total KJV occurrences: 4

ἀρσενοκοίτης
arsenokoítēs, ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace; from G730 and G2845;
a sodomite:—abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

So why would I say the ones that say effeminate are more accurate? Here is the original Greek, see for yourself.


1Co 6:9
η
G2228
PRT
ἤ
or, than
ουκ
G3756
PRT-N
οὐ
no, not
οιδατε
G1492
V-RAI-2P
οἶδα
to see
οτι
G3754
CONJ
ὅτι
that, because
αδικοι
G94
A-NPM
ἄδικος
unjust
βασιλειαν
G932
N-ASF
βασιλεία
royalty
τσβ
θεου
G2316
N-GSM
θεός
god
βασιλειαν
G932
N-ASF
βασιλεία
royalty
να

ου
G3756
PRT-N
οὐ
no, not
κληρονομησουσιν
G2816
V-FAI-3P
κληρονομέω
to be an heir to
μη
G3361
PRT-N
μή
not, lest
πλανασθε
G4105
V-PPM-2P
πλανάω
to roam
ουτε
G3777
CONJ
οὔτε
not too
πορνοι
G4205
N-NPM
πόρνος
a prostitute
ουτε
G3777
CONJ
οὔτε
not too
ειδωλολατραι
G1496
N-NPM
εἰδωλολάτρης
an image-worshipper

ουτε
G3777
CONJ
οὔτε
not too
μοιχοι
G3432
N-NPM
μοιχός
a paramour
ουτε
G3777
CONJ
οὔτε
not too
μαλακοι
G3120
A-NPM
μαλακός
soft
ουτε
G3777
CONJ
οὔτε
not too
αρσενοκοιται
G733
N-NPM
ἀρσενοκοίτης
a sodomite

 

[B-A-C]

These are the first five definitions that pop up from a Google search for "effeminate definition".

Definition of EFFEMINATE

having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner; marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement… See the full definition

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effeminate
1 of 2
adjective
ef·fem·i·nate ə-ˈfe-mə-nət
Synonyms of effeminate
1
: having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2
: marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement
effeminate art
an effeminate civilization

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

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effeminate
[ adjective ih-fem-uh-nit; verb ih-fem-uh-neyt ]SHOW IPA
See synonyms for: effeminate / effeminates / effeminateness on Thesaurus.com
High School Level
adjective
(of a man or boy) having traits, tastes, habits, etc., traditionally considered feminine, as softness or delicacy.
characterized by excessive softness, delicacy, self-indulgence, etc.:
effeminate luxury.
verb (used with or without object), ef·fem·i·nat·ed, ef·fem·i·nat·ing.
to make or become effeminate.

Effeminate - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

The word effeminate is used to describe a man or a boy with characteristics that are more often associated with females. You were once teased for your effeminate, high-pitched voice, but now you're a world-renowned singer.

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The word effeminate is used to describe a man or a boy with characteristics that are more often associated with females. You were once teased for your effeminate, high-pitched voice, but now you're a world-renowned singer.

effeminate

1. An effeminate man behaves or looks similar to a woman: 2. An effeminate man…

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effeminate
adjective disapproving
US /əˈfem.ə.nət/ UK /ɪˈfem.ɪ.nət/
An effeminate man behaves or looks similar to a woman:

effeminate

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of effeminate by The Free Dictionary

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effeminate (ɪˈfɛmɪnɪt)
adj
1. (of a man or boy) displaying characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; not manly
2. lacking firmness or vigour: an effeminate piece of writing.
[C14: from Latin effēmināre to make into a woman, from fēmina woman]
efˈfeminacy, efˈfeminateness n
efˈfeminately adv

An effeminate man behaves or looks similar to a woman:
He has a very effeminate manner/voice.

An effeminate man behaves or looks similar to a woman:
He has a very effeminate manner/voice.

 

[Hekuran]

I don't think people have the power to overcome sin, addictions, and wrong choices on their own.
But I think saying they can never change... "once a drag queen, always a drag queen", is denying the power of God to change people.

2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

??? I was talking about sexual attraction, not drag queens.