False ways to be saved
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Beans,
Do you agree that you must be born again (receive the Holy Spirit) before you can follow Jesus ?
WE Do not receive the Holy Ghost First! We get a New Spirit first! Then the holy Spirit has a clean place to dwell in! He does not dwell in our sin filled dying bodies !
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness
The temple of God is our Spirit, Once we are born of GOD!
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
JESUS is the LAST Adam. Adam meaning beginning! The new race of beings are made after the Last Adam! Each child of God is made after the pattern of the Last Adam!
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Salvation is a New birth!We are all babies in our Spirit at salvation!
That is no play on words!
our first birth is of water from our Mothers .The next birth must be a spiritual birth from God though JESUS CHRIST our LORD!
The new creature , new man, inner man, inward man new spirit and hidden man are All our Spirit after salvation!
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness
The temple of God is our Spirit, Once we are born of GOD!
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
JESUS is the LAST Adam. Adam meaning beginning! The new race of beings are made after the Last Adam! Each child of God is made after the pattern of the Last Adam!
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Salvation is a New birth!We are all babies in our Spirit at salvation!
That is no play on words!
our first birth is of water from our Mothers .The next birth must be a spiritual birth from God though JESUS CHRIST our LORD!
The new creature , new man, inner man, inward man new spirit and hidden man are All our Spirit after salvation!
Yes, I agree that we must be born again in order to follow Jesus, but I think following Jesus is part of that process. That is, like spirit1st says, we get a new spirit that enpowers us to follow (Acts 1:8).
"Faith without works is dead" James 2:20 and 2:15-17.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
2Co 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
1Co 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
This is MY LORDS GOSPEL!
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
born -again , born from Above , born of God and born of our Spirit! are all Salvation! god gives us a New spirit! which the bible calls New spirit , New Man ,inner man , Inward man, And New creature And Hidden man! Because we accept by Faith ,Because we cannot see our spirit with our natural eyes!
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
2Co 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
1Co 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
This is MY LORDS GOSPEL!
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
born -again , born from Above , born of God and born of our Spirit! are all Salvation! god gives us a New spirit! which the bible calls New spirit , New Man ,inner man , Inward man, And New creature And Hidden man! Because we accept by Faith ,Because we cannot see our spirit with our natural eyes!
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I'm sorry, but your post just seems like cheap fuel for an argument against someone you dislike because they have a different way of teaching, and having a knowledge of the Bible like you do you should know that this is wrong. Stirring division in the Church by passing judgment is not within any of our rights to do.
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 23:27
Matthew 15:14
Titus 3:10
There is another really good passage, I can not remember it, where Jesus tells us to accept Christians who explain the Gospel differently. I can not see how most of the metaphors shown here are false, for instance the old saying "accept Jesus into your heart" as I understand it basically just means show love for Jesus. Since this is not wrong, why should we go against it?
God bless.
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 23:27
Matthew 15:14
Titus 3:10
There is another really good passage, I can not remember it, where Jesus tells us to accept Christians who explain the Gospel differently. I can not see how most of the metaphors shown here are false, for instance the old saying "accept Jesus into your heart" as I understand it basically just means show love for Jesus. Since this is not wrong, why should we go against it?
God bless.
I agree, an often overlooked scripture which explains salvation in a very simple way. Peter doesn't say repent and give your heart to the Lord or confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from dead.
We Give All we have and are to the LORD at SALVATION! He MUST be lord of our lives 100% !Because He is already!
When it says we accept Jesus Christ Into our heart {spirit] We accept by faith , He is Lord of our Lives!
When we believe , We believe He is the Son of God and lord of all and want to obey Him 100%
He is the Only Begotten Son of God!Meaning HE came out of the Father! In the Flesh He was the Son of God ,from Gods SEED! but In His Spirit ,He was Always a Part of GOD!
Abraham had to be Willing to Give to GOD ,What HE loved Most on Earth! His Son!
The rich man had to be willing to give up what He loved Most , His money!
We must be willing to give to the LORD what we Love Most!
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
We LOVE HIM MORE! Than we love our own lives here! It about HIM , not us!
He LOVES US MORE! than We ;love ourselves!
When it says we accept Jesus Christ Into our heart {spirit] We accept by faith , He is Lord of our Lives!
When we believe , We believe He is the Son of God and lord of all and want to obey Him 100%
He is the Only Begotten Son of God!Meaning HE came out of the Father! In the Flesh He was the Son of God ,from Gods SEED! but In His Spirit ,He was Always a Part of GOD!
Abraham had to be Willing to Give to GOD ,What HE loved Most on Earth! His Son!
The rich man had to be willing to give up what He loved Most , His money!
We must be willing to give to the LORD what we Love Most!
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
We LOVE HIM MORE! Than we love our own lives here! It about HIM , not us!
He LOVES US MORE! than We ;love ourselves!
Don't single out a verse without bringing in the context. Let's start from verse 5:
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”[a] 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[c] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[d] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The part that I bolded above tells us the context of verse 9, the apostle Paul was summarizing the message that we (saints, Christians) proclaim. Proclaim to whom? the unsaved.
So that part of the passage is indeed for the unsaved.
Make sense?
Where does it say about "spoke in tongues" in John 3:16?
For example, the apostles were already saved before they receive the Holy Spirit at the day of the Pentacost. See the way Lord Jesus pray to God the Father about these disciples in the gospel of John 17:6-12.
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I'll go with Romans 10: 8-13
This is similar to what I did before I even knew the verse existed. Among other things, when I read it the first time, it was confirmation what was happening to me, similar to 2 COR 5:17.
It is my opinion that a person should know when they were Born Again and saved. What also confirms this to me is a verse from the well known Hymn, "Amazing Grace":
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
I love Amazing Grace because it rings so true to me. Shortly after being "Born Again" I felt that God lead me to read the Hymn for no apparent reason at the time, except I had this urge to do so. I will tell you the truth, when I first read it, really for the first time in my life, I cried non stop for 15 minutes.....no pun intended, it was an amazing experience.
When God puts someone in my life that has not been saved and inquiring I usually go through Romans 10:8 -13 with them.
Also, if I find someone that is not sure about their salvation that, it isn't clear that they have ask the Lord to come into their life, I use these same verses and say: "Let's do it again for the first time".
Also, a blessing to me to remember this time in my life is the ability to refer to it during times of doubt or confusion...
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
I just go back to that time when God's grace first appeared and my fears just fade away!
This is similar to what I did before I even knew the verse existed. Among other things, when I read it the first time, it was confirmation what was happening to me, similar to 2 COR 5:17.
It is my opinion that a person should know when they were Born Again and saved. What also confirms this to me is a verse from the well known Hymn, "Amazing Grace":
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
I love Amazing Grace because it rings so true to me. Shortly after being "Born Again" I felt that God lead me to read the Hymn for no apparent reason at the time, except I had this urge to do so. I will tell you the truth, when I first read it, really for the first time in my life, I cried non stop for 15 minutes.....no pun intended, it was an amazing experience.
When God puts someone in my life that has not been saved and inquiring I usually go through Romans 10:8 -13 with them.
Also, if I find someone that is not sure about their salvation that, it isn't clear that they have ask the Lord to come into their life, I use these same verses and say: "Let's do it again for the first time".
Also, a blessing to me to remember this time in my life is the ability to refer to it during times of doubt or confusion...
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
I just go back to that time when God's grace first appeared and my fears just fade away!
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lioncub said:
They were written to fledgling saints, people who had just left paganism, were surrounded by it on a daily basis, were tempted to backslide, and therefore, needed their faith to be reinforced.
"If Christ is not raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins" (1 Cor 15:17). The death and resurrection of Jesus are the cornerstone of the Christian faith. Without believing in them, you cannot be a true Christian.
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Amen ED! Only though JESUS Christ is there Salvation!
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This is MY LORDS GOSPEL!
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
We accept what He alone did for us and Him into our heart [Spirit] as LORD! There is no other way!
Thank You LORD JESUS CHRIST my LORD and Master forever more !
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This is MY LORDS GOSPEL!
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
We accept what He alone did for us and Him into our heart [Spirit] as LORD! There is no other way!
Thank You LORD JESUS CHRIST my LORD and Master forever more !
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Look at Acts 2:36 - "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." One cannot possibly be saved without repenting, confessing that Jesus is Lord and believing that He was raised from the dead.
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This will be very helpful and I could identify with your story as well, thank you.
And to point out a comment I made out earlier toward the OP, I was mistaken and the words He had used were not exact to what I had thought. I was referencing to the story where the disciples were making a complaint because someone was teaching about Jesus that was not one of them.
As for the quotations you've selected, not one of them supports your argument to my understanding. Perhaps you could enlighten me, but I reasoned the message in Corinthians 15:1 does not conflict with these figures of speech in anyway. These phrases are not saying anything conflicting with the Scriptures, as I will point out below. Neither does anything in Galatians 1:8, as the message of Jesus is the message of the Gospel, merely advertising Jesus is not in conflict with this and nothing that has been used for your complaint conflicts with it as I pointed out. I will go on with the rest of your passages, but only if you invite me to.
However I point to Luke 11:8 and Luke 11:9, so I say if you ask for Jesus Christ to be one with you, will you not receive Jesus? Of course inviting Jesus into your heart is the answer. It means to live with Jesus always, it means to accept him as one with yourself. So how can this be wrong? And I say everyone should remember 1st Corinthians in the story of One Body, Many Parts. So because someone does not function by the same means that you do, this is irrelevant, because if you are one with Christ then you are part of His church and therefore you are saved.
What it sounds like to me is that you're saying we should not reason or think about the message within our Bible nor speak about it but for reciting the words in it phrase for phrase. I don't think that's a healthy philosophy.
Personal relationship: A personal relationship is any kind of relationship between two or more people that is shared on a close level. Seek Jesus out like you would a father or a mentor, treat him as one, that's the advisement. Is this wrong?
Be baptized for the remission of sins: Well purging yourself with an acceptance of that personal relationship does undo the sins of your past, at least upon your own conscious and certainly in the eyes of God.
Come to Jesus to get your sins forgiven: You said "your sins were forgiven 2000 years ago" Not if one continues to live for sin. Living through Jesus does clear your name, as is exampled by the sinners who were cleared by becoming disciples of Christ.
Come forward and receive Jesus: You said that this invitation is not in the Bible, but you have done nothing to explain how using this phrase to invite unbelievers is wrong. 1st Corinthians 14 basically goes into detail about this, explaining the necessity of speaking certain ways to invite non-believers.
Again, I ask you to consider at least that you are annoyed about something merely because you do not understand how it can be applied, but if you do understand and these things are sinful I would hope you go further to share this knowledge with me.
Amen! Like the early Christians, we should be talking discipleship. Jesus asked his followers to Forsake All (Luke 14:33) and sell their possessions (Luke 12:22-33) and come and follow him.
Amen! Preach it brother! (John 14:21)
How can one be saved according to Romans 10:9 without being baptised in water for instance ?
Mark 16:16 "He that believes and is baptised shall be saved, he that does not believe shall be damned"
Believing (verse 16) is part of salvation and is not an end in itself. One cannot take one aspect of salvation and exclude all other aspects. Jesus spoke to the same person in John 3:5, and told him that a man must be born again. In verse 6, Jesus makes a comparison between being born of the flesh and being born of the Spirit. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that he must receive the Holy Spirit !
Jesus was praying to the Father and I cannot find in the text where it says that the disciples were saved. The disciples received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. And they spoke in tongues too !
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Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
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Peace be unto you
I would bet that we could clear up this whole mess with a show of hands?
What do you say?
Who is saved and knows it for a fact?
Who knows for sure that they have the Holy Spirit residing inside them?
What was the process that led you to this point of salvation?
Is it truly possible that there are so many different ways to get saved?
Are we all going to be okay in the end, or are some of us taking a real risk?
I would bet that we could clear up this whole mess with a show of hands?
What do you say?
Who is saved and knows it for a fact?
Who knows for sure that they have the Holy Spirit residing inside them?
What was the process that led you to this point of salvation?
Is it truly possible that there are so many different ways to get saved?
Are we all going to be okay in the end, or are some of us taking a real risk?
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Invite Jesus into your heart - Rev 3:20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
I actually agree with point two, but you have to have both sides, he died for your sins AND he rose again, not just one OR the other.
Come forward and receive Jesus - Mat 10:32 "Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
Give your heart to Jesus - Mat 22:37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
Come to Jesus to get your sins forgiven - Only if we confess and repent
Matt 4:17, Luke 13:3
Baptized for remission of sins - agree with you on this one, doing it doesn't take away sin, but Jesus did it, so why shouldn't we.
Personal relationship with Jesus - Joh 14:9 Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Joh 10:4 "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 "A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers."
Agree with you on the last point also - However not everyone is saved.
Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
There are hundreds more verses for ALL of these points. These are but a few examples. I'm not sure who told you these weren't in the Bible.
