Gifts of the Holy Spirit

[eldon]

Hi Christserf, I really apologize for interupting into this bible study. Forgive me.

Mar 16:17 "In my name shall they cast out devils"
This passage is perfectly true. How does one go about casting a demon out of themselves? I have done it many times, it goes, it goes away, but a few days later returns.... and it sucks.

The Lord was doing something to me in the spiritual realm (this is all i can say at this time, in fact i can only speculate what was going on), and because I am an unrighteous man (i have things that i need to get done/fixed/etc) a spirit or a few of them I don't know was latching onto me, and this was interfering.
So for a few times I was rebuking it and it left each time. but at some point God was getting angry at it, so Jesus told me to multiply its judgement 7 fold.
and it still came back. so Jesus had me rebuke it and multiply its judgement 70 fold. i did so at least twice if i recall.

in any case, these things won't bite you (in somecases it feels like that litterally) if you don't give them legal cause.
in some cases, your sins may have been forgiven but the evil spirit is a form of judgement, and Christ may not give you the authority to rebuke them until the appointed time.

 

[eldon]

We must beware of the ministers who speak in tongues and interpret. It is the duty of the body members to discern if what that person is saying lines up with the word. Sometimes we can pray for them sometimes God may have us seperate.

Many people think a person infallible , one example is when a minister says it is okay to prophesy and make mistakes. If one is truly prophesying by the Spirit God speaking in them doesn't make mistakes. Those who err may be new or weak members, so we must pray and stay in tune with the Spirit to have wisdom on how to act concerning them. Many things to learn so we must be prayerful.

well i don't know what you mean by error in the gift of prophecy.
Christ Jesus has given me a number of prophecies and i suppose i could error by sharing them with people who aren't supposed to know. (yes, even believers)
If i intentionally make a false prophecy i could lose my salvation.

 

[christbased]

Eldon, thank you very very much.

When you have more on your heart, please share. Please let the Lord talk to you, because... you just got used by him to talk with me Bless you buddy

 

[christbased]

I have a question for all here. I took a look in the Prayer area but I could not really find what I was looking for, so here I am talking to you folk.

I feel called to Pray for our Nation. I don't know what else to call it. We have sooo many issues going on, I know there is so much power in prayer and we fight against powers and principalities. I can pray at night on my own, and I do, but... I was thinking if we started to pray corporately on some of these issues, there might be some major changes within the Nation. I just put them out there, as they are just issues on my heart, and... I feel called, so I must respect that, and answer.

- Prayer for our Leadership nationally that they make super good decisions and are guided by powers on high in the heavily realm
- Pray that we have a return of Christian symbols to our Courts of Law
- Pray that we have revival within our military to embrace with Word of Jesus Christ. And demand that prayers that have recently been changed to "in the name of God". Be returned to "Through Jesus Christ our Lord"

These are just my personal beliefs, but I believe when we start to remove these very important statements and symbols of our faith, Nationally, that the hand of God's protection over us.... slips away. And I am so very concerned about that. So.... I would like to intervene directly at a spiritual level.

Would anyone else like to join me ? Remember who we have on our side,.... not to mention the few legions of angels

 

[christbased]

If i intentionally make a false prophecy i could lose my salvation.

Hi Eldon, I don't think anyone "intentionally" would make a false prophecy. It might be wrong, or, it might be interpreted wrong. But... I think both need to be in the Spirit not only for speaking the prophecy, but also the correct receiving.
But you could never actually loose your salvation, thats and agreement between Christ, the Father and you, sealed by the blood of christ. Greave the Spirit yes, loose salvation No, at least in my option

 

[jeremiah1five]

On these things you and I see the same Jesus.
Now, I will be interested in reading your understanding about these individual gifts.
I also did a study on these gifts as well. Would love to compare notes with you.

 

[james1523]

The gift of prophecy is the vocal expression in an articulate way in the known language of those that the message is directed to. Prophecy is to build up the Church, to strengthen, encourage or comfort her members to the glorification of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:34
"But one who prophesies is helping others grow in the Lord, encouraging and comforting them. 4*A person who speaks in tongues is strengthened personally in the Lord, but one who speaks a word of prophecy strengthens the entire church."

A good example of the gift of prophecy is found Acts 21:10-12

10*During our stay of several days, a man named Agabus, who also had the gift of prophecy, arrived from Judea. 11*When he visited us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands with it. Then he said, “The Holy Spirit declares, ‘So shall the owner of this belt be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Romans.’” 12*When we heard this, we who were traveling with him, as well as the local believers, begged Paul not to go on to Jerusalem.

Other incidents where the gift of prophecy is noted.

Acts 19:6
Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied.

Acts 21:8&9
*8 Then we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the seven men who had been chosen to distribute food. 9*He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.

In conclusion of this study of the vocal inspiration gifts, it is important that when ever any of these three gifts appear to be in operation, they should be measured or judged by God's Word and the Holy Spirit.

Please feel free to comment or ask questions.

It's a very good explanation you have there I just wanted to add some further thoughts (not a disagreement with your post, but to enhance the discussion). Prophesy is simply to speak under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It does not have to be predicting the future (which is the common pentecostal meaning of prophesy).It includes speaking forth the Word of God (either directly or paraphrased) under inspiration of the Spirit. To make clear that it is not only prediction, we can see in 1 Cor 14:24 and 1 Cor 14:31 that it convicts unbelievers and it teaches and comforts believers, which a predictive prophesy normally does not do. Paul stressed the importance of prophesy the most, out of all the gifts. So does our church encourage each member to prophesy? If not, why not? What is the consequence of a church not practicing, or even forbidding prophesy? How can the church be built up without prophesy? I know that some believe the Word of God replaces the gifts of inspiration. But inspiration gifts are still needed.. the prophesy gift enables you to know by the Spirit what is the particular scripture(s) that should be spoken for that particular moment. Perhaps someone in the church needs to hear a comforting word about being free from the fear of death, but we neglect the spirit of prophesy and preach from the bible about management of finances and tithing. Even though we have the Bible, we still need the Holy Spirit to direct and inspire us to speak the words that He knows (not what we think we need) are required for a particular moment.

 

[DHC]

It does not have to be predicting the future (which is the common pentecostal meaning of prophesy)

Hello James1523.

I would disagree with this comment, prophecy is one of the tools for building
the church. I have attended three different pentecostal denominations, it was
very rare to hear prophecy in relation to future events.

There are so many different streams of pentecostal churches that it would
be impossible to classify them.

 

[james1523]

Hello James1523.

I would disagree with this comment, prophecy is one of the tools for building
the church. I have attended three different pentecostal denominations, it was
very rare to hear prophecy in relation to future events.

There are so many different streams of pentecostal churches that it would
be impossible to classify them.

Just like the generalizations that "all Catholics pray to Mary", right? :wink:
Agreed. All the pentecostal churches I attended prophesy was related to future predictions of God's blessings, more like fortune telling. But am sure some have proper understanding.

 

[jiggyfly]

Your right James, I should have been more specific. I agree that the gift of prophecy is when the lord speaks directly through someone to other believers. I did elate to this under the word of wisdom definition.

 

[HeismyRock]

hello all....i haven't posted since joining ages ago, but was reminded of my membership by an e-alert about the recent changes.
looks good.

on the subject of the gifts (Acts2/Corinth) - are there any other cessationists at talkjesus?

 

[Aadi]

But if no one is able to make an interpretation for the "public speaking in tongues", the one who is speaking should stop, am I right?

 

[amadeus2]

But if no one is able to make an interpretation for the "public speaking in tongues", the one who is speaking should stop, am I right?

Is there not more than one gift of tongues? If the gift is for a message from God to the people then if not given in the local common language, an interpretation is certainly needed, but... is there no other purpose for "tongues"?

 

[eldon]

i have some testemony of someone who spoke in tongues and there was someone with the interpretation present, but he kept his silence. then later lied about it.

so, just make sure you're actually led of the Spirit to speak.

also, i've come to the conclusion that one purpose of praying in tongues is to protect your mind from the information being conveyed from the spirit.

 

[Aadi]

I guess? :/ thanks bro.

 

[Gloria]

Jiggyfly you are still here! Do you remember me from many years ago? I am back

This is an excellent post on the gifts of the Spirit! Keep up the good work.


Gloria

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit

Part 1) The vocal inspiration gifts.

The gift of tongues is the vocal expression given by the Holy Spirit through a person in their normal voice, but not in a language understood by the one speaking. Let me say that this is not the same as "speaking in tongues", the praise and prayer language given to every believer that has experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The difference is simple, speaking in tongues or singing in tongues is where the believer is speaking, praying, singing and praising God by the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Now concerning the gift of tongues, God is speaking to us by the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It may be in a language known or unknown to man. A good example of the gift of tongues is seen in Acts 2:7-11, where the language spoken is known to those hearing it but not to the ones speaking.

7*They were beside themselves with wonder. “How can this be?” they exclaimed. “These people are all from Galilee, 8*and yet we hear them speaking the languages of the lands where we were born! 9*Here we are—Parthians, Medes, Elamites, people from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, the province of Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, and the areas of Libya toward Cyrene, visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism), 11*Cretans, and Arabians. And we all hear these people speaking in our own languages about the wonderful things God has done!”

The above incident is a confirmation of what brother Paul said in 1Corinthians 14:22.

"So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers."

I think that this is one of the reasons that Paul also instructed the Church not to forbid the speaking in tongues (1Cor. 14:39).


The gift of interpretation of tongues is ofcourse a gift that follows the gift of speaking in tongues. This gift is really self explanatory, it is the interpretation of a message spoken in an unknown tongue into the known tongue of those hearing it. Generally it is not word for word, but will express the whole thought that God is articulating through the messenger. It is not uncommon in meetings where one person speaks in tongues and two or three people interpret in part until the whole message is interpreted.

1Corinthians 14:13
"So anyone who has the gift of speaking in tongues should pray also for the gift of interpretation in order to tell people plainly what has been said."


The gift of prophecy is the vocal expression in an articulate way in the known language of those that the message is directed to. Prophecy is to build up the Church, to strengthen, encourage or comfort her members to the glorification of Christ.

1Corinthians 14:3&4
"But one who prophesies is helping others grow in the Lord, encouraging and comforting them. 4*A person who speaks in tongues is strengthened personally in the Lord, but one who speaks a word of prophecy strengthens the entire church."

A good example of the gift of prophecy is found Acts 21:10-12

10*During our stay of several days, a man named Agabus, who also had the gift of prophecy, arrived from Judea. 11*When he visited us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands with it. Then he said, “The Holy Spirit declares, ‘So shall the owner of this belt be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Romans.’” 12*When we heard this, we who were traveling with him, as well as the local believers, begged Paul not to go on to Jerusalem.

Other incidents where the gift of prophecy is noted.

Acts 19:6
Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied.

Acts 21:8&9
*8 Then we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the seven men who had been chosen to distribute food. 9*He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.

In conclusion of this study of the vocal inspiration gifts, it is important that when ever any of these three gifts appear to be in operation, they should be measured or judged by God's Word and the Holy Spirit.

Please feel free to comment or ask questions.

 

[daffodyllady]

It is so interesting that those who have the strongest ideas about tongues, are those who have no experience with the subject.

From what I have seen, there is a distinct difference between an expression of personal praise and glorifying God in tongues,
and a message in tongues sent from heaven FOR an assembly.

There is a difference in the way it is spoken. There is a difference in the level of anointing.
I have heard quite a bit of tongues during sermons, which obviously were not intended for interpretation.
I have heard quite a bit of tongues in prayer sessions, both public and private, which were not messages to the assembly from heaven.

But when a message is sent from heaven, and it comes in the form of tongues, it invariably happens during a sudden pause in the service.
The voice of the one giving the message in tongues is raised, as one would naturally do without a PA system, in addressing a crowd.
From what I have witnessed, this raising of the voice is part of the unction to deliver the message.

Now, of course, one can choose to refuse to give the message. Just as one can choose to pray in tongues, or not to.
It is not wrong to refuse to give a message in tongues. (However, if God wants it given, He can find another, more willing vessel, and that one will get the blessing of being used by Him.)
Nor is it wrong to give that first message, before it becomes evident that no interpretation gift is present.

In my church, we regularly hear tongues and interpretation. And we also hear lots of prayer-language tongues, which are not messages to the assembly. And it isn't wrong to pray in tongues in an assembly. After all, on the day of Pentecost, who was 100% in charge? It was God alone. And if God started the church that way, then He would not later say it was wrong.


For those who are interested, here is the interpretation of a tongue given Sunday evening, October 13th, in my church. I got the CD, and transcribed it.

I seek for worshipers saith the Lord. But I have only found few. I seek for those who express praise to Me. I only find few. Behold, my grace has carried you though the darkest seasons of your life. My hand has held you in the very weakest times of your spirit. I have helped you, carried you, held you, embraced you. I have been there when you had no place to turn. And my voice you have heard in the night seasons. I have been your song in the night. Yet, praises are few.
I'm calling my people this day to come and look, and examine your heart and your spirit. Has Satan--has the enemy-- hidden things in your soul? Have those things called you and created in you a heart that is not pure? Have you allowed the clutter of living the the struggles of this life to come and bring thoughts into your mind and spirit that have withheld praise and worship unto My Name? Have you allowed yourself to warm at the wrong fire? Have you allowed yourself to follow at a distance?
I am calling my people this night to evaluate yourselves and to consider your motives, and to look beyond the things of this world, and to concentrate upon the things of the secret place. I'm calling someone this night, to lay your burdens down, and to allow my presence to carry you once again. I am looking for worshipers this night throughout this world, and throughout this earth, for my glory is here. Stretch forth your hands unto my name, saith God.
I have carried you, I have loved you, I have embraced you, I have loved you. Yet I hear not from you!Come! Saith the Lord. And yield your soul to me. I will comfort you in the night season, and I will bless you in the times of struggle. Behold, my name is Jehovah, and my ways are pure.

 

[NumaN]

...
In my church, we regularly hear tongues and interpretation. And we also hear lots of prayer-language tongues, which are not messages to the assembly. And it isn't wrong to pray in tongues in an assembly. After all, on the day of Pentecost, who was 100% in charge? It was God alone. And if God started the church that way, then He would not later say it was wrong.

I agreed with all you said apart from this part.
Pentecost was people becoming born again, it is not a template for how to run a meeting. 1 Corinthians 14 should be adhered to. It clearly says that if nonchristians are present the only tongues heard should be followed by interpretation.

 

[james1523]

Churches i have been in , some have everyone pray in tongues loudly at the same time. I know that Benny Hinn encourages this. This is not biblical at all.
For the following reasons:

In Paul's mind, church is about most people using prophesy and few using tongues.
In a church , at MOST, should be 3 people speaking in tongues:
1 Cor 14:27
If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

Tongues is a sign for unbelievers. For believers it is basically useless.
Tongues with interpretation can be useful for edification in church meeting. Interpreter means translator.
There is no such thing as "gift of interpretation" of tongues.
Tongues is the least and most useless gift. It never saved anyone, never healed anyone, never encouraged anyone. In fact it does the opposite: confuse, bewilder, and discourage another person.
The most useful gift is prophecy, that is the gift every Christian is to seek and desire and use regularly. 1 Cor 14:1

Pentecostal churches can err in the following ways:
Tongues being sought as the most important gift, rather than prophesy.
Tongues being used without interpretation in a church meeting, not only is it unedifying , it is basically rude and unloving (to speak to others in a language they don't understand) .
Individuals using tongues privately in personal praise and worship in a church meeting - please check what church is and why we meet with others. Church meeting implies interaction and fellowship, and this is not achieved by each individual being in their own 'spiritual zone' and forgetting about others, speaking in tongues, or otherwise. If others are speaking in private prayer language, we should not be able to hear them.
This is why Paul says:

1 Cor 14:28 " If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God."

 

[daffodyllady]

Okay, I didn't mean to post twice.