WaitingForJesus
Member
Tongues = Speaking in other language without knowing that language. Can that be done today? Please show me evidence if answer is yes. Don't show me Charismatic mumble jumble, that is unbiblical.
Holy Spirit
- Thread starter yegoryeliz
- Start date
Tongues = Speaking in other language without knowing that language. Can that be done today? Please show me evidence if answer is yes. Don't show me Charismatic mumble jumble, that is unbiblical.
Tell you what...I'll answer this when you answer me. This is the way it normally works on a forum. You make a point using scripture to support your assertion and others refute it the same way, or agree.
BTW, I'm not impressed with how you refer to your country. Shows a total lack of respect.
WaitingForJesus
Member
Why would I respect a country that was founded by Satan and worships Satan?
As for me answering questions, which question did I not answer?
Young man, you have a lot to learn and obviously you don't have the humblesness to do so.
I'm pretty sure now I don't want to discuss anything with you.
You need a few more years to gain a better perspective on life and walking in Jesus.
WaitingForJesus
Member
What to learn?
All I need to know is founded in 2 commandments of Jesus, on which all Christianity hangs. I'm sorry you have bad impression of me and quick to judge, but know that I love you and am very distressed a Christian brother refuses to talk to me due to my beliefs on a man made institution (country).
EphremHagos
Member
Absolutely true!
Without baptism with the Holy Spirit, nobody has any idea whatsoever who Jesus Christ really is. (John 16: 5-28)
I submit that the question of "the gift of tongues" will be acceptably answered if we respect the time-sensitive maturity date of the promise, a.k.a., "the lifting up of the Son of Man", without which there is nothing whatsoever!!!!!!
Without baptism with the Holy Spirit, nobody has any idea whatsoever who Jesus Christ really is. (John 16: 5-28)
I submit that the question of "the gift of tongues" will be acceptably answered if we respect the time-sensitive maturity date of the promise, a.k.a., "the lifting up of the Son of Man", without which there is nothing whatsoever!!!!!!
Last edited:
EphremHagos
Member
P.S. Hope the following two afterthoughts are helpful.
1) Strictly speaking, the Biblically correct terminology, a.k.a., "Baptism BY Jesus Christ WITH the Holy Spirit", makes the grammatical distinction between the Subject, i.e., Jesus Christ, and the Indirect Object or the medium, i.e., the Holy Spirit.
2) The timing of the action, a.k.a., "the mark of Jesus Christ" as LORD, is his unique kind of death on the cross, which can only be verified by personal experience confirming the Scriptures.
1) Strictly speaking, the Biblically correct terminology, a.k.a., "Baptism BY Jesus Christ WITH the Holy Spirit", makes the grammatical distinction between the Subject, i.e., Jesus Christ, and the Indirect Object or the medium, i.e., the Holy Spirit.
2) The timing of the action, a.k.a., "the mark of Jesus Christ" as LORD, is his unique kind of death on the cross, which can only be verified by personal experience confirming the Scriptures.
Whitestone
Member
Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!
Thank you Jesus
EphremHagos
Member
I pray that your personal testimony will be more complete with substance as you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
If not, you will backslide sooner than later! Blessings.
If not, you will backslide sooner than later! Blessings.
Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!
Thank you Jesus
Whitestone
Member
You suggest I will backslide? That isn't a very Christian thing to say
It sure says a lot about your personal testimony...
Last edited:
EphremHagos
Member
As indicated, you have only two options. That is what I have suggested.
You suggest I will backslide? That isn't a very Christian thing to say
Whitestone
Member
As I gave testimony too, this is what I rejoice in. I don't depend upon "choices" of unlearned men. Since this is what you came against in your post, it only betrays your true character. Repent and be baptized into Christ and He will give you the Holy Spirit. I assure you, it will be beautiful beyond anything you've yet imagined
As I posted I post again, a testimony I've yet to see from you;
Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!
Thank you Jesus
EphremHagos
Member
All other things being equal, I am prepared to see which prescription of faith will prove valid and sustainable; and which kind of faith will backslide.
No one can ever change the choice that was from the beginning and still is: between "the tree of life" and "the tree of knowledge of what is good and what is bad". (Gen 2: 7-9)
The former correspsonds to Christ's death on the cross which is the source for the outpouring of the Spirit (John 19: 34-37) of which the unlearnt like me boast. PTL.
No one can ever change the choice that was from the beginning and still is: between "the tree of life" and "the tree of knowledge of what is good and what is bad". (Gen 2: 7-9)
The former correspsonds to Christ's death on the cross which is the source for the outpouring of the Spirit (John 19: 34-37) of which the unlearnt like me boast. PTL.
As I gave testimony too, this is what I rejoice in. I don't depend upon "choices" of unlearned men. Since this is what you came against in your post, it only betrays your true character. Repent and be baptized into Christ and He will give you the Holy Spirit. I assure you, it will be beautiful beyond anything you've yet imagined
As I posted I post again, a testimony I've yet to see from you;
Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!
Thank you Jesus
Last edited:
EphremHagos
Member
No, I do not at all have any theology. Nor do I need one!
Theology is an academic study of God, Isn't it?
Biblically defined, theology is undoubtedly identified with "the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad" with the most deadly of consequences because it has no room whatsoever for direct and personal revelation of the truth from God. (Gen. 2:9-17)
In the context of the terms of the Scripture-free "new covenant" (Jer. 31: 31-34), the Bible, a.k.a., the Scriptures, is an inspired road map to God as he really is. That is my personal understanding. Please correct me if I you can prove me wrong.
I do not know about you. As for me, Jesus Christ in his standard and perpetual self-revelation is my Savior, my God and my teacher. That is the Good News from the glorious and blessed God. How else can people know Jesus Christ and be his disciples?
The Holy Spirit, a.k.a., “the Helper”, who will not speak on his own authority, plays a limited supporting role as defined (John 14:26; 16: 13-15).
In brief, Jesus Christ is personally knowable in his standard and perpetual self-revelation at his death on the cross with the diacritical marks of “the blood and the water” for baptizing with the Holy Spirit and also teaching new disciples.
Theology is an academic study of God, Isn't it?
Biblically defined, theology is undoubtedly identified with "the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad" with the most deadly of consequences because it has no room whatsoever for direct and personal revelation of the truth from God. (Gen. 2:9-17)
In the context of the terms of the Scripture-free "new covenant" (Jer. 31: 31-34), the Bible, a.k.a., the Scriptures, is an inspired road map to God as he really is. That is my personal understanding. Please correct me if I you can prove me wrong.
I do not know about you. As for me, Jesus Christ in his standard and perpetual self-revelation is my Savior, my God and my teacher. That is the Good News from the glorious and blessed God. How else can people know Jesus Christ and be his disciples?
The Holy Spirit, a.k.a., “the Helper”, who will not speak on his own authority, plays a limited supporting role as defined (John 14:26; 16: 13-15).
In brief, Jesus Christ is personally knowable in his standard and perpetual self-revelation at his death on the cross with the diacritical marks of “the blood and the water” for baptizing with the Holy Spirit and also teaching new disciples.
[/COLOR]
I Corinthians 14
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Read the entire chapter
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Read the entire chapter
My understanding is that the purpose of speaking in Tongues is so that Satan cannot hear your prayer.
This is also what someone told me.
It is a side-channel so to speak by which God can communicate to your heart and re-program your brain without the knowledge of satan, who hears our prayers and knows our thoughts and is the author of many of them.
I have read of some people praying in tongues for 2 hours a day.. the obvious question is why.. and i'm sure God has told them that answer.
This is also what someone told me.
It is a side-channel so to speak by which God can communicate to your heart and re-program your brain without the knowledge of satan, who hears our prayers and knows our thoughts and is the author of many of them.
I have read of some people praying in tongues for 2 hours a day.. the obvious question is why.. and i'm sure God has told them that answer.
EphremHagos
Member
I submit that "speaking in tongues" is defined in the context of of the radical change in man's way of thinking required for personal and full appreciation of the divine significance of Christ's death on the cross as unique instrument of God's self-revelation, and one's increasing commitment thereto.
What stops Satan in his tracks, therefore, is not the speaking in tongues in itself but rather "God's powerful weapons" inherent in Christ's death, a.k.a., "Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical"! (Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 27: 50-56)
Looked at another way, speaking in tongues, a.k.a., "new language", uses the same words in the old languages with completely different meanings given by the Holy Spirit in order to bridge the gap between God's thoughts/ways and man's.
There is infinite blessing in sustained study, prayer and discussion on this subject. Amen!
What stops Satan in his tracks, therefore, is not the speaking in tongues in itself but rather "God's powerful weapons" inherent in Christ's death, a.k.a., "Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical"! (Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 27: 50-56)
Looked at another way, speaking in tongues, a.k.a., "new language", uses the same words in the old languages with completely different meanings given by the Holy Spirit in order to bridge the gap between God's thoughts/ways and man's.
There is infinite blessing in sustained study, prayer and discussion on this subject. Amen!
Last edited:
EphremHagos
Member
Your answer raises more questions than it responds to. Here is why.
Being "spiritually born again of the Spirit", without the given Terms of Reference (specific to Christ's death on the cross), is "satanic" as testified by Nicodemus et al. and Simon Peter, respectively.
(John 3: 1-15; 19: 30-42; Matt. 16: 21-23; ff.)
Being "spiritually born again of the Spirit", without the given Terms of Reference (specific to Christ's death on the cross), is "satanic" as testified by Nicodemus et al. and Simon Peter, respectively.
(John 3: 1-15; 19: 30-42; Matt. 16: 21-23; ff.)