Holy Spirit

[WaitingForJesus]

This statement will require some scriptural support on your part. Nothing about the Holy Spirit was confined or restricted to the 1st century.

Tongues = Speaking in other language without knowing that language. Can that be done today? Please show me evidence if answer is yes. Don't show me Charismatic mumble jumble, that is unbiblical.

 

[Stan53]

Tongues = Speaking in other language without knowing that language. Can that be done today? Please show me evidence if answer is yes. Don't show me Charismatic mumble jumble, that is unbiblical.

Tell you what...I'll answer this when you answer me. This is the way it normally works on a forum. You make a point using scripture to support your assertion and others refute it the same way, or agree.
BTW, I'm not impressed with how you refer to your country. Shows a total lack of respect.

 

[WaitingForJesus]

Tell you what...I'll answer this when you answer me. This is the way it normally works on a forum. You make a point using scripture to support your assertion and others refute it the same way, or agree.
BTW, I'm not impressed with how you refer to your country. Shows a total lack of respect.

Why would I respect a country that was founded by Satan and worships Satan?

As for me answering questions, which question did I not answer?

 

[Stan53]

Why would I respect a country that was founded by Satan and worships Satan?

As for me answering questions, which question did I not answer?

Young man, you have a lot to learn and obviously you don't have the humblesness to do so.
I'm pretty sure now I don't want to discuss anything with you.
You need a few more years to gain a better perspective on life and walking in Jesus.

 

[WaitingForJesus]

Young man, you have a lot to learn and obviously you don't have the humblesness to do so.
I'm pretty sure now I don't want to discuss anything with you.
You need a few more years to gain a better perspective on life and walking in Jesus.

What to learn?

All I need to know is founded in 2 commandments of Jesus, on which all Christianity hangs. I'm sorry you have bad impression of me and quick to judge, but know that I love you and am very distressed a Christian brother refuses to talk to me due to my beliefs on a man made institution (country).

 

[EphremHagos]

Absolutely true!

Without baptism with the Holy Spirit, nobody has any idea whatsoever who Jesus Christ really is. (John 16: 5-28)

I submit that the question of "the gift of tongues" will be acceptably answered if we respect the time-sensitive maturity date of the promise, a.k.a., "the lifting up of the Son of Man", without which there is nothing whatsoever!!!!!!

Jesus clearly taught that baptism of Holy Spirit is essential in John 3:5. Although the gift of tongues was only for 1st century Christians.

 

[jiggyfly]

Why would I respect a country that was founded by Satan and worships Satan?

As for me answering questions, which question did I not answer?

Why do you live in it?

Have you studied it's history?

 

[EphremHagos]

P.S. Hope the following two afterthoughts are helpful.

1) Strictly speaking, the Biblically correct terminology, a.k.a., "Baptism BY Jesus Christ WITH the Holy Spirit", makes the grammatical distinction between the Subject, i.e., Jesus Christ, and the Indirect Object or the medium, i.e., the Holy Spirit.

2) The timing of the action, a.k.a., "the mark of Jesus Christ" as LORD, is his unique kind of death on the cross, which can only be verified by personal experience confirming the Scriptures.

Absolutely true!

Without baptism with the Holy Spirit, nobody has any idea whatsoever who Jesus Christ really is. (John 16: 5-28)

I submit that the question of "the gift of tongues" will be acceptably answered if we respect the time-sensitive maturity date of the promise, a.k.a., "the lifting up of the Son of Man", without which there is nothing whatsoever!!!!!!

 

[Whitestone]

P.S. Hope the following two afterthoughts are helpful.

1) Strictly speaking, the Biblically correct terminology, a.k.a., "Baptism BY Jesus Christ WITH the Holy Spirit", makes the grammatical distinction between the Subject, i.e., Jesus Christ, and the Indirect Object or the medium, i.e., the Holy Spirit.

2) The timing of the action, a.k.a., "the mark of Jesus Christ" as LORD, is his unique kind of death on the cross, which can only be verified by personal experience confirming the Scriptures.

Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!

Thank you Jesus

 

[EphremHagos]

I pray that your personal testimony will be more complete with substance as you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

If not, you will backslide sooner than later! Blessings.

Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!

Thank you Jesus

 

[Whitestone]

I pray that your personal testimony will be more complete with substance as you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

If not, you will backslide sooner than later! Blessings.

You suggest I will backslide? That isn't a very Christian thing to say It sure says a lot about your personal testimony...

 

[EphremHagos]

As indicated, you have only two options. That is what I have suggested.

You suggest I will backslide? That isn't a very Christian thing to say It sure says a lot about your personal testimony...

 

[Whitestone]

As indicated, you have only two options. That is what I have suggested.

As I gave testimony too, this is what I rejoice in. I don't depend upon "choices" of unlearned men. Since this is what you came against in your post, it only betrays your true character. Repent and be baptized into Christ and He will give you the Holy Spirit. I assure you, it will be beautiful beyond anything you've yet imagined

As I posted I post again, a testimony I've yet to see from you;

Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!

Thank you Jesus

 

[EphremHagos]

All other things being equal, I am prepared to see which prescription of faith will prove valid and sustainable; and which kind of faith will backslide.

No one can ever change the choice that was from the beginning and still is: between "the tree of life" and "the tree of knowledge of what is good and what is bad". (Gen 2: 7-9)

The former correspsonds to Christ's death on the cross which is the source for the outpouring of the Spirit (John 19: 34-37) of which the unlearnt like me boast. PTL.

As I gave testimony too, this is what I rejoice in. I don't depend upon "choices" of unlearned men. Since this is what you came against in your post, it only betrays your true character. Repent and be baptized into Christ and He will give you the Holy Spirit. I assure you, it will be beautiful beyond anything you've yet imagined

As I posted I post again, a testimony I've yet to see from you;

Jesus has Come into me by Baptism of His resurrected and glorified Holy Spirit self. And He shall never leave nor forsake me even unto the ends of forever!

Thank you Jesus

 

[EphremHagos]

No, I do not at all have any theology. Nor do I need one!

Theology is an academic study of God, Isn't it?

Biblically defined, theology is undoubtedly identified with "the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad" with the most deadly of consequences because it has no room whatsoever for direct and personal revelation of the truth from God. (Gen. 2:9-17)

In the context of the terms of the Scripture-free "new covenant" (Jer. 31: 31-34), the Bible, a.k.a., the Scriptures, is an inspired road map to God as he really is. That is my personal understanding. Please correct me if I you can prove me wrong.
I do not know about you. As for me, Jesus Christ in his standard and perpetual self-revelation is my Savior, my God and my teacher. That is the Good News from the glorious and blessed God. How else can people know Jesus Christ and be his disciples?
The Holy Spirit, a.k.a., “the Helper”, who will not speak on his own authority, plays a limited supporting role as defined (John 14:26; 16: 13-15).
In brief, Jesus Christ is personally knowable in his standard and perpetual self-revelation at his death on the cross with the diacritical marks of “the blood and the water” for baptizing with the Holy Spirit and also teaching new disciples.

[/I]
Of course you have a theology...the word is Greek and means the study of God. The Bible is NOT just a text book. It is the inspired Word of God, given to ALL men. Let me also clarify that it is NOT Jesus that teaches us. John 14:26;

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
It is always alarming when people claim to have Jesus as their personal teacher. The only time that happened, was in the Gospels.

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is what Jesus came to do. Wasn’t it?
The problem is not our varying levels of proficiency in the English language of which we all have a working knowledge. There is an ever increasing level of difficulty as a result of the presence or absence of “knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven” given only to insiders, a.k.a., disciples, but not to outsiders. I do not need to testify about myself.
Full-fledged baptism with the Holy Spirit, once and for all, was initiated at Christ’s death on the cross. That is a Gospel truth. Among the few beneficiaries at the Premiere, some are the writer of the 4th Gospel, Nicodemus, and Joseph (John 19: 30-42).
After 40 days of rehearsal and rehabilitation of unbelieving disciples, the numbers of people baptized by the Holy Spirit dramatically increased on the day of Pentecost using the power of Christ’s death on the cross. (Acts 1; 2)
Last but not least, it will serve us better if we bear in mind that the Holy Bible itself testifies about the distinction between the fallible testimonies of men and the infallible testimony of God. This is why the “new covenant” is based on God’s life-giving Spirit rather than written words.


[/I]Just exactly who did Jesus baptize with the Holy Spirit when he died on the cross? It seems to me English may not be your mother tongue so I give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to explain this statement. Jesus did NOT say He was independant of man's testimony, He said He did not 'accept' it. Jesus was secure in who He was and in His own being, He did NOT need outward support or proof of who He was. John was appointed by God for a reason, to direct men to Jesus as the true Messiah. Jesus didn't need John's testimony to believe and know who He was Himself.




[/I]Again, 'altruistic' connotes limited dimension when applied to Jesus. He is God and is ALL things. More than altruistic, which is a single limited concept. Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. John 14:6. Jesus said he speaks in parables. NOT the same as figures of speech. Matthew 13:10-11 & 35.

You will notice however that In John, there are no parables. So even though Jesus said He spoke in 'veiled' language, John did not record any. They are all recorded in the 'synoptic' gospels.

I don't know what Ibid 16:5-15 is so I have no idea what this "groundbreaking for a new order of worship!" you speak about is.






Yes of course Jesus did not merely claim. He spoke the truth. I really don't understand what you mean by self revelation? [/INDENT]

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[revbrad]

I Corinthians 14
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Read the entire chapter

 

[eldon]

My understanding is that the purpose of speaking in Tongues is so that Satan cannot hear your prayer.
This is also what someone told me.
It is a side-channel so to speak by which God can communicate to your heart and re-program your brain without the knowledge of satan, who hears our prayers and knows our thoughts and is the author of many of them.

I have read of some people praying in tongues for 2 hours a day.. the obvious question is why.. and i'm sure God has told them that answer.

 

[EphremHagos]

I submit that "speaking in tongues" is defined in the context of of the radical change in man's way of thinking required for personal and full appreciation of the divine significance of Christ's death on the cross as unique instrument of God's self-revelation, and one's increasing commitment thereto.

What stops Satan in his tracks, therefore, is not the speaking in tongues in itself but rather "God's powerful weapons" inherent in Christ's death, a.k.a., "Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical"! (Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 27: 50-56)

Looked at another way, speaking in tongues, a.k.a., "new language", uses the same words in the old languages with completely different meanings given by the Holy Spirit in order to bridge the gap between God's thoughts/ways and man's.

There is infinite blessing in sustained study, prayer and discussion on this subject. Amen!

My understanding is that the purpose of speaking in Tongues is so that Satan cannot hear your prayer.
This is also what someone told me.
It is a side-channel so to speak by which God can communicate to your heart and re-program your brain without the knowledge of satan, who hears our prayers and knows our thoughts and is the author of many of them.

I have read of some people praying in tongues for 2 hours a day.. the obvious question is why.. and i'm sure God has told them that answer.

 

[tinks]

I have not read all the posts but just to say that your question is worded incorrectly because it is The Lord Jesus who baptises with the Holy Spirit.
We are baptised by The Holy Spirit into the body of Christ when we are born again.

 

[EphremHagos]

Your answer raises more questions than it responds to. Here is why.

Being "spiritually born again of the Spirit", without the given Terms of Reference (specific to Christ's death on the cross), is "satanic" as testified by Nicodemus et al. and Simon Peter, respectively.

(John 3: 1-15; 19: 30-42; Matt. 16: 21-23; ff.)

I have not read all the posts but just to say that your question is worded incorrectly because it is The Lord Jesus who baptises with the Holy Spirit.
We are baptised by The Holy Spirit into the body of Christ when we are born again.