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[Samson2020]

She went on to proclaim that was when she was saved because she got the Holy Spirit & tongues all at once.

Truth be told she was right. Without the spirit ye are none of His. There are a few examples, in Acts, where "believers" were asked if they had yet received the Holy Ghost? They said no,
and had not even heard there was a Holy Ghost, so after prayer and laying on of hands they received the Spirit and began to speak in tongues.

Acts 10:44-46 Acts 19:6

Notwithstanding, those involved in that iniquity are still called to repent before the Bridegroom comes or else be left behind as cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

How would you suggest that one differentiate a true tongue from a false, as we cannot just throw the true in with the false and dismiss them all as false?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Like my former neighbor across the street. She was telling me one day that she was reading her Bible at the kitchen table when the Holy Spirit came over her and she spoke in tongues. She went on to proclaim that was when she was saved because she got the Holy Spirit & tongues all at once.

So I had asked her what she was reading that led her to believe in Jesus Christ. At first she did not know what I had meant and then it don on her as she continues her testimony. She had asked her pastor what had happened because she had been a believer most of her life. The pastor pointed to something in Acts but she did not tell me what place in Acts. I assume Acts 2 but I don't really know. Then she went on to share that other people were sharing their testimonies also for how they were doing every day things when the Holy Ghost fell on them and spoke in tongues too. When she told me that, she rolled here eyes while doing so as if indicating she did not believe some of what she had heard if any at all.

I told her that was not the Holy Spirit and her face had fallen. I pointed out about that false teaching of those who do not speak in tongues, do not have the Holy Spiri, and therefore they are not saved and she had agreed with me that this was a false teaching but yet I pointed out that it would be very hard for her to stop those from using her testimony to support that false teaching.

Dear GodB4Us,
I believe the passage in question is as follows:

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we [did,] can he?" And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. Acts 10:44-48 NASB95

The above passages does have much to consider.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Samson2020]

For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God

I'd like to point out that the tongues were one thing and the exaltation of God was another. As the word AND is used to signify two different events occurring.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I'd like to point out that the tongues were one thing and the exaltation of God was another. As the word AND is used to signify two different events occurring.

Dear Samson2020,
You could say that.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Truth be told she was right. Without the spirit ye are none of His. There are a few examples, in Acts, where "believers" were asked if they had yet received the Holy Ghost? They said no,
and had not even heard there was a Holy Ghost, so after prayer and laying on of hands they received the Spirit and began to speak in tongues.

Acts 10:44-46 Acts 19:6

She was wrong because she had the Holy Ghost all along since she had believed in Him. That extra phenomenon dd nothing for her but to change her testimony as to when she was saved and what was the point of tongues when there was no one else around? It was not to serve as a sign for her and so that notion that tongues are for private use is why it was not God's gift of tongues nor that extra phenomenon either.

I mean... what are you going to say to Joyce Meyers who took that same phenomenon but applied it to mean God is calling her into the ministry rather than that was when she was saved?

Believers want to believe that this phenomenon with tongues ( which ever comes with interpretation ) to be of God when they should be testing the spirits and the tongues they bring because of this prophesy in these latter days 1 Timothy 4:1

Let's face it; this phenomenon does not stop there as some do call it as that second blessing.. Other encounters with a phenomenon that they believe is the Holy Spirit for other sensational signs in the flesh but of confusion like slain in the spirit & holy laughter and others where they lose self control & fall backwards as some do when seeking that second blessing or that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues. It is all from what I see as that evil tree for why many believers fall ( Matthew 7:13-27 ) when believing the lie that they can receive the holy Ghost again or for the first time by a sign of tongues as evidence of salvation when the truth be told, the fact that they believe in Jesus Christ is a work of God the Father ( John 6:44 & Matthew 11:25-27 & John 6:37-40 & John 3:18-21 ) for why they are the children of God by faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:26 Galatians 3:14

How would you suggest that one differentiate a true tongue from a false, as we cannot just throw the true in with the false and dismiss them all as false?

The real God's gift of tongues are of other men's lips to speak unto the people as Paul gave the bottom line on tongues here in 1 Corinthians 14:20-21

The pagan supernatural tongue in the world is just gibberish nonsense as found in the occult as confirmed by scripture in Isaiah 8:19 for why God's gift of tongues are not for private use when it is to profit the body withal 1 Corinthians 12:7 & none of His gifts is gained by another baptism with the Holy Ghost so that we may all hold to this testimony in verse 13 in 1 Corinthians 12 :12-14. Plus, it is reiterated again that no gift is for private use as if telling other members of the body that a member with a certain gift has no need of the other per 1 Corinthians 12:19-21 and so that means believers are not reading 1 Corinthians 14th chapter rightly when Paul was thru out that chapter was exhorting believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts 1 Corinthians 14:1 & 1 Corinthians 14:12 but somehow they managed to read in between the lines as if tongues was the best gift to have for private use when it is not a stand alone gift at all.

I believe in God's gift of tongues for God to speak unto the people. God's gift of tongues is never for private use for why believers shoudl shun that kind of tongue as well as reject that phenomenon that brought it so others do not go after it.

 

[GodB4Us]

Dear GodB4Us,
I believe the passage in question is as follows:

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we [did,] can he?" And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. Acts 10:44-48 NASB95

The above passages does have much to consider.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I recollected that she mentioned that the disciples were standing around doing every day things for why others were trying to share their testimonies as if on par with hers when they had their encounter while doing every day things.

I assume Acts 2nd chapter regarding the day of Pentecost as they were commanded to wait for the power from on high from the Father in that upper room, but I do not really know for sure. I should have asked but she has moved away now.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Garee]

In the assembly, tongues can be used for others ways too but still needed to be interpreted for the tongue speaker to understand that tongue and benefit from that tongue too in being fruitful

I think we should be careful how we hear or say we hear the offering our private interpretations . The evil one is quick to snatch the seed found on the side of the path darkness .No revealing foundation, the word of God the lamp unto our feet.

We are warned over and over of those who would seduce us to beleive we do need men to teach us and not the propmised teacher comfort and guide who does also bring to our minds the things previous taught .The Holy Spirit of truth propmised the church his bride he would protect us from antichrists' (other teaching masters other than our one Holy father in heaven ).He would not say trust me not seen as it is written then turn around and say go find a man to unscramble sounds without understanding. Some would call that talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time


No such thing as sign gift . Spiritual unseen gifts of the Spirit yes .They will never disappear. Again we have the witness the work of him bringing to our memory the previous things he has taught us as two walking together in agree to Him .The better gift that acompanies salvation .

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

Memories one of the better spiritual gifts Don t leave the house without it. Memory loss a terrible suffering for everyone .

 

[Samson2020]

She was wrong because she had the Holy Ghost all along since she had believed in Him.

So how many unclean spirits did she cast out prior to her infilling? And has she cast out any after? Any hands on healing before or after? etc...

I mean... what are you going to say to Joyce Meyers who took that same phenomenon but applied it to mean God is calling her into the ministry rather than that was when she was saved?

Nothing, couldn't care less what she says. She answers for herself to the Lord. Don;t like people who profit off of the word of God personally.

God's gift of tongues is never for private use for why believers shoudl shun that kind of tongue as well as reject that phenomenon that brought it so others do not go after it.

Sorry but as a new spiritual "born again" creature, son of the living God, the spirit within me (mine) can and will speak in angelic language to his Father. It was a gift and I'll keep it.

Let's face it; this phenomenon does not stop there as some do call it as that second blessing..

Wouldn't know about a "second blessing" but we are told to keep on asking, keep on knocking, and keep on seeking!!

 

[GodB4Us]

I think we should be careful how we hear or say we hear the offering our private interpretations . The evil one is quick to snatch the seed found on the side of the path darkness .No revealing foundation, the word of God the lamp unto our feet.

Which is why God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 ) will come with interpretation because the manifestations of the Spirit is to profit the body of Christ withal 1 Corinthians 12:7

That is why if any one speak and there is no interpretation, he is instructed to be silent because he is a foreigner speaking out of turn when you see the practice of 2 or 3 speaking in tongues and another interpret for why there is no interpretation. A foreign visitor may not know what is going on when in the assembly as he sees one by one, someone standing and speaking in tongues for another to interpret to the assembly and so he sands up to speak in his foreign language which is his native language because he speaks to himself meaning he understands what he is saying unlike those led by the Spirit to do for why there is no interpretation when speaking out of turn. 1 Corinthians 14:27-28

We are warned over and over of those who would seduce us to beleive we do need men to teach us and not the propmised teacher comfort and guide who does also bring to our minds the things previous taught .The Holy Spirit of truth propmised the church his bride he would protect us from antichrists' (other teaching masters other than our one Holy father in heaven ).He would not say trust me not seen as it is written then turn around and say go find a man to unscramble sounds without understanding. Some would call that talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time

We teach and correct by the scripture but it is on God to cause the increase. 1 Corinthians 3:5-7

No such thing as sign gift .

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

It can be a gift to those who believe not to hear the wonderful works of God in their native tongues but not every one believes when that happens either and so, not a gift to them but still serves as a sign to unbelievers.

It is when saved believers or those being prompted to seek proof of salvation by that sign of tongues that err when the only sign of Jonah given to sinners and saved believers is Jesus was in the earth 3 days & 3 nights. Matthew 12:39

If believers wish to avoid that iniquity, they should not seek tongues as a sign that they are saved or as a sign that they have received the other baptism with the Holy Ghost or proof that God is calling them into the ministry or proof that their church is keeping the doctrines within ( there is such a thing as a Charismatic Catholic Church & so where is that ministry of correction by the Holy Spirit in all of that use of tongues for private use? ) or using tongues as a sign or rpoof for anything when it is only to serve as a sign to unbelievers.

Spiritual unseen gifts of the Spirit yes .They will never disappear. Again we have the witness the work of him bringing to our memory the previous things he has taught us as two walking together in agree to Him .The better gift that acompanies salvation .

As referring to John 14:26, I agree which the receiver understands but not tongue speakers today that thinks God will edify them by that tongue being manifested in them without interpretation.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

Memories one of the better spiritual gifts Don t leave the house without it. Memory loss a terrible suffering for everyone .

Seeing how the Holy Spirit ministers to us by bringing scripture we have heard and understood into remembrance is why God's gift of tongues are never for private use. When the modern day tongue speakers knows not what is being said until it is interpreted and because there is no interpretation due to it being gibberish nonsense as found in the occult ( Isaiah 8:19 )and not a real language of men, is why that is not the real God's gift of tongues and neither that is that extra phenomenon for how they got that tongue but of the devil 1 Timothy 4:1. That is why believers are not to believe every spirit ( John 14:17 & 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) but test them and the tongue they bring 1 John 4:1-6

 

[GodB4Us]

So how many unclean spirits did she cast out prior to her infilling? And has she cast out any after? Any hands on healing before or after? etc...

Nothing she had reported in that regard.

I do not believe you should have that as a litmus test when discerning the spirits either because in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus denied those professing Him in spite of the miracles being done in His name, including casting out demons, for they were workers of iniquity when they broaden the way in coming to God the Father by including the focus on the Holy Ghost in worship, fellowship, and prayer ( Matthew 7:13-16 ) for why many fall in those phenomenon Matthew 7:24-27.

Some that have gained tongues by another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues as that was the initial calling, will judge slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's healing Crusade where he would announce the holy Spirit falling on already saved believers to bring about miracles, and they would fall backwards to receive this phenomenon and supposed miracle, and etc as not of God but fail to note that it is of the same evil tree ( Matthew 7:17-20 ) when some of those who gain tongues for private use, also have fallen backwards in receiving. Matthew 7:24-27 again.

We have this warning in the Old Testament that this phenomenon was present before Pentecost.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

This vanity of "look at me" and "see what God is doing to me" does nothing to edify others by nor the believers that this is happening to, and yet they glory in it & take it as part of their identity and witness to others, but it is a false witness.

Nothing, couldn't care less what she says. She answers for herself to the Lord. Don;t like people who profit off of the word of God personally.

Only thing is, that tongue was never interpreted for why she used it as a sign that God was calling her into the ministry. The word of God spoken by tongues will be interpreted since the manifestations of the Spirit is to profit all of the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:7 for why it is never for private use as if they need no one else to interpret that tongue ( 1 Corinthians 12:19-21 )

Sorry but as a new spiritual "born again" creature, son of the living God, the spirit within me (mine) can and will speak in angelic language to his Father. It was a gift and I'll keep it.

What for? Angels need no message from us when God ca speak directly to them. I submit that Paul was using a hyperbole, an exaggeration to emphasize that in spite of those exaggerations, how love is more important. It is a hyperbole when the ending of verse 1 obviously does not make speaking in angelic language as sounding like sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. Surely no one speaking in tongues for private use sounded like that in supposedly speaking to angels.

1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Has Paul given everything he has to the poor and has burnt his body and is writing to us back then as a ghost writer this first epistle to the Corinthians? No. So this context is all hyperbole, an exaggerated sense to show how without love, we are nothing and those extreme examples are nothing. That mans there is no spekaing to angels in God's gift of tongues when Paul gave the bottom line for what tongues are for; for God to speak unto the people 1 Corinthians 14:20-21

Wouldn't know about a "second blessing" but we are told to keep on asking, keep on knocking, and keep on seeking!!

When I read Luke 11:9-13, I got the truth that when we had received the Holy Ghost at our salvation, we would never ask the Father again because that would make Him look evil as if He had not given us that gift of the Holy Ghost the 1st time per verses 11 & 12 below in context of verse 13.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

So if you believe in tongues for private use by this asking for the Holy Ghost to receive again and again, regardless of the initial reception at your born again of the Spirit moment when you had first believed at the calling of the gospel, then do you believe that slain in the spirit &/or holy laughter is of God as well since they are testifying to that phenomenon as receiving the Holy Ghost again as many lose self control & all under its influence?

Or is the Lord helping you to discern the spirits right now that something is not right here?

 

[Garee]

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

It can be a gift to those who believe not to hear the wonderful works of God in their native tongues but not every one believes when that happens either and so, not a gift to them but still serves as a sign to unbelievers.

You offered the outcome of the law verse 22. The rebuke or testimony but not its foundation as to why God took away his interpretation from some (verse21) revisited from the foundation of the law of tongues in the Old Testament (Isaiah 28) .( yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.)

Tongues the word of God is prophecy no difference (none)

Again no such thing as a self edifying "sign gift" .I did it it proves I have the Holy Spirit .Same with water baptism .

Spiritual gifts not seen yes we walk by faith (the unseen)

What you offered is a rebuke.. those who seek after a sign before they exercise faith it does not support mocking God with senseless sounds without meaning .

Note... (unbelievers) no prophecy from God, mocking God .. making baby noises and falling backward slain in the spirit. Mocking the spirit of falling back slain in the Spirit of prophecy, the tongue of God

Note. . .(Prophecy ) God's tongue

The.. law of prophecy "yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. (those who do not make senseless baby sounds and fallback slain in the Spirit)

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

God warns of those who say they need man to teach them. So why would make a baby sound and say look for another interpreter other than that of his own words or tongue ?

Sounds like you should visit the foundation of the mocking of the word of God mocking the spirit of judgment falling back slain in the Spirit ideology

.The doctrine of tongues is the law spoken of in 1Corithians 14. Rather than building it on no foundation first look at Isaiah 28. David informs us in the Psalm's if the enemy destroys the foundaiton of the doctrines of God what could those born again from above do? We can not force someone to look to the foundation of those who do mock the tongue of God' prophecy

But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:

1 Corinthian 14: 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[GodB4Us]

You offered the outcome of the law verse 22. The rebuke or testimony but not its foundation as to why God took away his interpretation from some (verse21) revisited from the foundation of the law of tongues in the Old Testament (Isaiah 28) .( yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.)

Tongues the word of God is prophecy no difference (none)

Again no such thing as a self edifying "sign gift" .I did it it proves I have the Holy Spirit .Same with water baptism .

Spiritual gifts not seen yes we walk by faith (the unseen)

What you offered is a rebuke.. those who seek after a sign before they exercise faith it does not support mocking God with senseless sounds without meaning .

Note... (unbelievers) no prophecy from God, mocking God .. making baby noises and falling backward slain in the spirit. Mocking the spirit of falling back slain in the Spirit of prophecy, the tongue of God

Note. . .(Prophecy ) God's tongue

The.. law of prophecy "yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. (those who do not make senseless baby sounds and fallback slain in the Spirit)

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.” But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

God warns of those who say they need man to teach them. So why would make a baby sound and say look for another interpreter other than that of his own words or tongue ?

Sounds like you should visit the foundation of the mocking of the word of God mocking the spirit of judgment falling back slain in the Spirit ideology

.The doctrine of tongues is the law spoken of in 1Corithians 14. Rather than building it on no foundation first look at Isaiah 28. David informs us in the Psalm's if the enemy destroys the foundaiton of the doctrines of God what could those born again from above do? We can not force someone to look to the foundation of those who do mock the tongue of God' prophecy

But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:

1 Corinthian 14: 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

They understood what God said to them in their native language since it was their native language that God spoke to them in. They just did not "hear" Him as in "listen" to Him to believe in Jesus Christ.

 

[Garee]

They understood what God said to them in their native language since it was their native language that God spoke to them in. They just did not "hear" Him as in "listen" to Him to believe in Jesus Christ.

God who gives us the power to hear and do His will without him we can do nothing to his good pleasure

They could not hear he confirmed there unbelief (no faith) .

Faith a labor of Christ's love that works in us comes from hearing our God not seen understanding .Not by sight.. (what the eyes see the temporal.)

The parable no man can serve to good teaching masters as if by one lord in Luke 16 is there to teach us not to look to the dead saints or what some call patron saints for the living as the wisdom of the world . We should, I beleive look to the riches of all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura).the gospel of our salivation and buy that truth not selling it .

Luke 16:29-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; (the living abiding word of God)let them hear them. (sola scriptura) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,(sola scriptura) neither will they be persuaded, though one (Jesus ) rose from the dead.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[Rhema]

God's gift of tongues is never for private use

(1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;​

You seem to believe there is something wrong with that.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

When I read Luke 11:9-13, I got the truth that when we had received the Holy Ghost at our salvation,

I am curious. You seem to imply that you received the Holy Ghost automatically at your salvation. But what did you ask for? Did you ask for Salvation? Or did you truly ask for the Holy Ghost?

(Luke 11:13 KJV) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?​

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[B-A-C]

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

However the Spirit was already given in the other 4 instances in Acts. But still, in all 5 instances in Acts, people received the baptism of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.
So even if you discount Acts2. You still have to account for the other 4.

 

[GodB4Us]

(1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;​

You seem to believe there is something wrong with that.

Rhema

Taken out of context, sure I do, when thru out that chapter, Paul was saying that for that tongue to benefit himself to be fruitful, he would pray while he is speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Ghost that the tongue would be interpreted so he would understand it.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The actual God's gift of tongues can edify self when it is interpreted. That is what Paul was doing in comparing the gift of prophesy over the gift of tongues for why he was telling believers that are zealous for spiritual gifts to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially tongues, by comparing tongues against prophesy to show tongues is not a stand lone gift, meaning, never for private use.

And the fact that many testimonies in how they got that tongues for private use happened later in life as a saved believer, and/or sought to receive another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, and/or those who came forward seeking roof of their salvation, ought to heed this waning from the Lord.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Paul gave the bottom line on tongues below that it is about God speaking unto the people in their native foreign language that His disciples know not the language in case any one should misunderstood his words.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Paul did specify that the gifts were to profit the body withal & not individually in the prior chapter 12 so believers will not think otherwise, & neither are any of the gifts sought to be gained by another drink of the One Spirit apart from salvation les we depart from the testimony we are all supposed to share in verse 13 below.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

To say tongues are for private use and have no need for any one to interpret it is pretty much overlooking the reproof of such notion in verse 21.

 

[GodB4Us]

I am curious. You seem to imply that you received the Holy Ghost automatically at your salvation. But what did you ask for? Did you ask for Salvation? Or did you truly ask for the Holy Ghost?

(Luke 11:13 KJV) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?​

Thanks,
Rhema

Since the Father drew me unto the Son ( John 6:44 ) to reveal His Son to me ( Matthew 11:25-27 ) so I can believe in Him, then my believing in Him is a work of God also ( John 3:18-21 ) for how I was born again of the Spirit ( John 6:37-40 ).

Since believing in Him is how the Gentiles had received the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost per Acts 10:43-44, without asking for anything but believing the words of Peter, then we should recognize that the promise of the Spirit is given by faith in Jesus Christ; Galatians 3:14 that we are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ Galatians 3:26

Per your reference of Luke 11:9-13, Jesus testified indirectly that once you have the promise of the Spirit from the father when we believe the calling of the gospel, we will never ask for the Holy Ghost again les we make the father look evil as if He did not give us the Holy Ghost the first time for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ. That is why Jesus said what He had said in verses 11 & 12 so that when we had received the holy Ghost, we will not ask for Him ever again.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[GodB4Us]

However the Spirit was already given in the other 4 instances in Acts. But still, in all 5 instances in Acts, people received the baptism of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.
So even if you discount Acts2. You still have to account for the other 4.

If you are referring to one of those events as per Acts 19:1-7, there are 3 kinds of disciples in Paul's days and they were disciples of the Pharisees, disciples of john the Baptist's, and disciples of Jesus Christ. That is why it addressed them as "certain disciples" but Paul did not know what kind.

Mark 2:18And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

Luke 5:33And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?

When Paul found out that they were disciples of John the Baptist's, then Paul told them about Jesus as being the One John the Baptist was preaching about & then they got water baptized in Jesus's name and became disciples of Jesus Christ.

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve.

I know there are other events in Acts but I'll let you reference each one in each post so as to reply to each one as the Lord enables to avoid long posts, but those disciples in Acts 19 were not believers in Jesus Christ for then they would have been baptized in Jesus's name rather than John the Baptist's.

 

[GodB4Us]

However the Spirit was already given in the other 4 instances in Acts. But still, in all 5 instances in Acts, people received the baptism of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.
So even if you discount Acts2. You still have to account for the other 4.

Acts 2 was when His disciples were saved at Pentecost when the Church was born again of the Spirit because that was when Jesus said when believers will get born again of the spirit as happening after His ascension whic was after His crucifixion.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Again, the promise sent by the Father was when Jesus was no longer present with them but had ascended to the Father.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also....

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So some of His disciples getting the Holy Ghost in John 20:22 and earlier before His crucifixion in Matthew 10:1-20 was not the promise of the permanent indwelling holy Ghost. Just a temporary indwelling as they have not been bought with a price yet when Jesus has to ascend to the Father in Heaven to make all those that believe in Him citizens of Heaven. His ascension to God the Father in Heaven as God was why His disciples worshipped & glorified Him.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. 50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

This is why they were told to wait since they were not saved yet in being the sons of God to go out and preach the gospel so that they can share like testimony as others that are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, rather than by sight.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.