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[God's Truth]

They were not His until they were born again of the Spirit at Pentecost.

What? The Apostles to the Lamb were not His until Pentecost? You must know that isn't something you should say.

Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on his Apostles even before Pentecost.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

That scripture is about after the Holy Spirit was sent into the world to be given!

Jesus had explained to Nicodemus for when that born again of the Spirit would take place as happening after His ascension which was after His crucifixion for whenever any one believes in Jesus Christ to be saved.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I disagree since Jesus was ministering at the age of twelve even.

You disagree with what?
Jesus' spirit within him was the Spirit of God the Father come as a human's.
Jesus was baptized with power for his earthly ministry, just as he did for the Apostles before they began their ministry.


Acts 10:37 You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him. 39 We are witnesses of all that He did, both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And although they put Him to death by hanging Him on a tree.


John 20:21 Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22 When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.


And he tells them to wait until they have power from the Holy Spirit, and that was at the baptism at Pentecost.

Luke 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

Acts 18:1 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;


So Jesus, and the apostles had power from God for their earthly ministry.

Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

I believe the point of Matthew 3:13-18 was about the fulfillment of the prophesy in Isaiah 48:16-17 in fulfilling all righteousness when God the Father spoke from heaven regarding His Son and the Holy Spirit adding witness to the Father's testimony as the Lord God and His spirit sent Jesus, God our Redeemer.

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

I don't know what you are talking about and what point you are trying to make.

 

[GodB4Us]

What? The Apostles to the Lamb were not His until Pentecost? You must know that isn't something you should say.

Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on his Apostles even before Pentecost.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Again; Jesus told Nicodemus when the Born again of the Spirit will happen and that is after His ascension which was after His crucifixion for when any one believes in Him for eternal life. That means His disciples did not receive the promise of the "permanent" indwelling holy Ghost until Pentecost.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Don't forget that Judas Iscariot also had this temporary indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 10:1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.....

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Again, He told His disciples when they will get the forever indwelling holy Ghost was when he had gone to the Father.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So His remaining disciples were not saved until Pentecost for when the Church was born.

 

[God's Truth]

Again; Jesus told Nicodemus when the Born again of the Spirit will happen and that is after His ascension which was after His crucifixion for when any one believes in Him for eternal life. That means His disciples did not receive the promise of the "permanent" indwelling holy Ghost until Pentecost.

They still belonged to Jesus before Pentecost. I even gave you scripture where Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit before Pentecost.

Here is another scripture for you that says they belonged to Jesus before Pentecost:

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Don't forget that Judas Iscariot also had this temporary indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So His remaining disciples were not saved until Pentecost for when the Church was born.

Nonsense.

 

[GodB4Us]

They still belonged to Jesus before Pentecost. I even gave you scripture where Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit before Pentecost.

That was not the born again of the Spirit moment for the Holy Spirit to indwell forever as promised as to be given from the Father when that can only occur after His ascension.

Here is another scripture for you that says they belonged to Jesus before Pentecost:

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Nonsense.

No one can lose their salvation because of John 6:39.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Therefore Judas Iscariot was never a believer and neither had he witnessed His ascension into Heaven when Jesus was glorified as God for Judas Iscariot to be around for Pentecost to be born again of the Spirit when the Church was born.

 

[PloughBoy]

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@Rhema

Tongues aren't a special "prayer language" for private prayer times.

Those practicing the false tongue speaking believe they are speaking a special "prayer language", and that in this type of praying it is somehow deeper and more personal than praying with their native language with words they understand. However, that is not scriptural, and that even goes against the Word of God which says you will have a fruitless mind if you pray like that. Surely, a fruitless mind is not something one should be aiming for in personal prayer times.

Tongues aren't a special prayer language, Speaking in tongues is speaking in languages, and, a person who could speak in tongues/languages, they could do anything while speaking in tongues, like pray, sing, bless...everything a person speaking in their own language can do in the Spirit. Some, though, however, are making it as if praying when no one understands is a special prayer language. That is not what the scriptures are saying. Speaking in tongues while praying when you don't understand is fruitless.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

Surely a fruitless mind is not something to aim for at anytime.

They will not go for that, their horns are growing and Puffing smoke! You have made some furious today! Talking about The Word “Tongues” is really the Word “Languages”, a Gift to speak to a people of a different language to proclaim to the “Gospel According to Jesus Christ. And you are stepping on the toes of The religious “ glossolalia speakers.

They are going get you.

 

[Samson2020]

Why would one speak in (human) foreign languages to God?

(1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.​

Rhema

Just wanted to point out in the verse it does say "THAT NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM" so what foreign language could that be except angelic, not human.

 

[th1bill]

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They will not go for that, their horns are growing and Puffing smoke! You have made some furious today! Talking about The Word “Tongues” is really the Word “Languages”, a Gift to speak to a people of a different language to proclaim to the “Gospel According to Jesus Christ. And you are stepping on the toes of The religious “ glossolalia speakers.

They are going get you.

I'm sorry brother but your point s incorrect.

Matthew 6:5-6​

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“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And Brother Paul taught that we were not to pray in Tongues without an interpreter. Fifty people, lying on the floor babbling is not honoring YHWH in any7 fashion either. Many heresies reside in churches today that are not found in Churches that elevate our Elohim.

 

[PloughBoy]

I'm sorry brother but your point s incorrect.

Matthew 6:5-6​

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“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And Brother Paul taught that we were not to pray in Tongues without an interpreter. Fifty people, lying on the floor babbling is not honoring YHWH in any7 fashion either. Many heresies reside in churches today that are not found in Churches that elevate our Elohim.

Oh, I am referring to what “God’s Truth” has said on the matter!

I have nothing to say on the Text of Scripture that is in question. I ain’t in it and don’t want to be in it! I just commented on “God’s Truth” statement.

That is where I stand and I will not be drawn into it by no one.

If you think I am kidding read post # 125 again.

And see you are “Sizzling” right now and it is not my Fire, tell that to him and not me!
I have absolutely nothing to do with the word “Languages “, I know what a Language is, why would I want to argue about it, I do have The God given gift of “Languages”, and the “Holy Spirit of GOD” uses that Gift at His “Discretion” and has absolutely nothing to do with me! And I don’t care how he use it and I give it not a second thought.

So do not draw me into that argument, I don’t care what others believe, I am about My Father’s business.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”

You can “Yodel” “hum”, Moan, Wail, Squeal, or anyway you want to do it, that is your business, between “GOD and You”!

Now I hope, I have made myself clear about “Languages”

Examples:
New American Standard Bible
As for Hannah, she was speaking in her heart, only her lips were quivering, but her voice was not heard. So Eli thought that she was drunk.

“Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we each hear them in our own[g]language [h]to which we were born? 9Parthians, Medes, and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Acts 2 New American Standard BibleAsia,10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egyptand the parts of Libya aroundCyrene, and [j]visitors from Rome, both Jews and [k]proselytes,11Cretans and Arabs—we hearthem speaking in our own[l]tongues of the mighty deeds of God.” 12And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others were jeering and saying, “They are fullof [m]sweet wine!” [meaning they are Drunk]

 

[GodB4Us]

I'm sorry brother but your point s incorrect.

Matthew 6:5-6​

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“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And Brother Paul taught that we were not to pray in Tongues without an interpreter. Fifty people, lying on the floor babbling is not honoring YHWH in any7 fashion either. Many heresies reside in churches today that are not found in Churches that elevate our Elohim.

Paul was not teaching that when one speaks in tongues that they are praying in tongues either. Paul was saying that for the edification of the church, when one speaks in tongues as manifested by the Holy Ghost, they were to pray while speaking in tongues that somebody else will interpret that tongue so the tongue speaker will understand it and that tongue will be beneficial to himself as well. Verse 13 is how we can understand what Paul is saying in verse 14.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

From verse 12 as the topic for the edification of the church, Paul is saying if any one speaks in tongues as manifestd by the Holy Ghost, they shoudl pray so that someone will interpret that tongue for that tongue speaker to understand & be truly edified in that way. Obviously, this is being done in the assembly and therefore they are not really "praying" in tongues but praying someone will interpret while they are speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Rhema]

I received understanding at the moment I was saved,

Perhaps you could describe this in more detail in an Introduction thread.

There was a time I was talked into believing I could speak in tongues and even interpret what I was saying.

Well that's unfortunate. But I would caution you to avoid throwing out the baby with the bath water. But it's likely, though, that you hadn't received the gift of tongues to begin with if such was the case. I know of what you speak, though, and such behaviour by some is unconscionable.

It was only after searching the scriptures to see if what I was taught was actually what the Word says is when I could see what I was taught was false.

And yet my experience was the opposite. The scriptures showed me that what I learned (and experienced) was not false.

I am no baby Christian anymore and the truth about speaking in tongues has been revealed to me.

This "truth" ... was this what you had posted? Or is there more to come?

I thought I could help people get closer to God by showing them God's Truth in the scriptures. However, most people have only been cruel about my trying to help.

To be honest, I think it more in the manner in which you attempt to bring help. Since the Reformation, when Salvation was redefined to be based upon what a person believes (as opposed to what a person does), then the very core identity of a person is challenged when those beliefs are challenged. In other words, to challenge a belief is now seen as an attack upon the person. And nobody likes that.

Rhema
(I miss your warrior picture.)

 

[Rhema]

I explained it to you, but looks like you didn't see it.

Well, I can say the same thing.

We have a direct statement by Paul -

(1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.​

This type of "speaking in tongues," then, is NOT speaking unto men, but unto God. It Literally says that. It also literally states that "no man" can understand such a tongue, so it couldn't mean "human language" or we have a bizarre picture that there is some human language that no man can understand. And that doesn't make sense.

I realize that you have defined "tongues" to mean only human languages, but that's not rational in light of Paul's declaration that some speak a tongue that no man understandeth and that such speech is one that "speaketh unto God."

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Speaking in tongues while praying when you don't understand is fruitless.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

Surely a fruitless mind is not something to aim for at anytime.

Two things.

Speaking in tongues while praying is NOT fruitless. While such a person might not understand what he or she is saying, don't you think God does? If God understands what you are then praying, how could that be represented as "fruitless"?

Paul directly stated "I will pray with my spirit." You seem to object to this. Paul did not. Indeed you should pray with your understanding, but ALSO pray with your spirit. You have denied this, and so according to your faith, it has been.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The Word “Tongues” is really the Word “Languages”, a Gift to speak to a people of a different language to proclaim to the “Gospel According to Jesus Christ.

That doesn't make sense.

(1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.​

Why would one need to (quote) proclaim the 'Gospel According to Jesus Christ' (unquote) to God? Wouldn't God already know this?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Just wanted to point out in the verse it does say "THAT NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM" so what foreign language could that be except angelic, not human.

I agree, but many others limit the context of this passage and mentally insert the words "NO MAN who is present at the speaking of such UNDERSTANDS HIM."

People often mentally insert "Invisible Words" and don't even realize they are doing so, especially if their education in language and logic is quite limited. And when pointed out, they become offended. Indeed, it's because their mental process are shown to be deficient, and nobody likes to think they're that stupid. The practice of using "Invisible Word" is ubiquitous and extremely difficult to overcome, especially if no one knows about it. But you now know about them (maybe you already did), and so can start to look for and address the Invisible Words that other people insert into the Bible.

Rhema

 

[B-A-C]

According to Jesus Christ' (unquote) to God? Wouldn't God already know this?

Perhaps God does. Some teach Satan doesn't know what is spoken in tongues.

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

 

[PloughBoy]

That doesn't make sense.

(1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.​

Why would one need to (quote) proclaim the 'Gospel According to Jesus Christ' (unquote) to God? Wouldn't God already know this?

Rhema

Of course you don’t understand, which is logical.
1st. When you are reading from a translation that cannot be word for word to make sense.

2nd. Plus When you are not familiar with collective customs and cultural that are gather together. At center places at center times of Celebrations.

3rd but not least it is the school of thought and the arena where repetition has played a great part in one’s religious up bringing of the time period one is brought up in.

And there are other factors that are involved.

So, continue as you are. And fret not, because your security is in “Christ Jesus” and not in the forms of different “Languages” for in which there are many. And “GOD” The FATHER “ knows How To Save HIS own and bring them to “Birth”. For He Is “GOD”!

It is about “Salvation ” and not about “Languages” ! What about the “Mute” and the ones who do not have or born without vocal cords. I will not go further about The Language of GOD, for many Stumbles concerning such matters. And I don’t want others to Stumble any further. For if meat causes my brother to stumble I will not do or say to cause my brother to stumble even more.

So we Must bear The Infirmities ofcThe Weak [the unlearned].

 

[God's Truth]

T

They will not go for that, their horns are growing and Puffing smoke! You have made some furious today! Talking about The Word “Tongues” is really the Word “Languages”, a Gift to speak to a people of a different language to proclaim to the “Gospel According to Jesus Christ. And you are stepping on the toes of The religious “ glossolalia speakers.

They are going get you.

What do you think they are going to do? Are you saying they have witchcraft and they have power over a child of God's?

 

[God's Truth]

That was not the born again of the Spirit moment for the Holy Spirit to indwell forever as promised as to be given from the Father when that can only occur after His ascension.

No one can lose their salvation because of John 6:39.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Therefore Judas Iscariot was never a believer and neither had he witnessed His ascension into Heaven when Jesus was glorified as God for Judas Iscariot to be around for Pentecost to be born again of the Spirit when the Church was born.

I gave you the scriptures about the Apostles belonging to God and Jesus not losing one!
You really want to pretend you weren't taught something? You said they weren't saved until Pentecost. I gave you those scriptures that you are acting like you are using to prove something you were against.

 

[God's Truth]

Just wanted to point out in the verse it does say "THAT NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM" so what foreign language could that be except angelic, not human.

No man understands him because there are no foreigners there.

 

[PloughBoy]

That doesn't make sense.

(1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.​

Why would one need to (quote) proclaim the 'Gospel According to Jesus Christ' (unquote) to God? Wouldn't God already know this?

Rhema

You said I said:
PloughBoy said:
The Word “Tongues” is really the Word “Languages”, a Gift to speak to a people of a different language to proclaim to the “Gospel According to Jesus Christ.”

What do you think they are going to do? Are you saying they have witchcraft and they have power over a child of God's?

Nothing dis-regard what I said. It is a dead fish in the water.