So is Honoring our Mother and Father and Elders is only A Conditional of Earning That Respect as being taught today through “Christianity” if so why

[PloughBoy]

Some people don't want me defend myself.

Why do you have to defend yourself, for that practice is of, “The People” of this world.
Now that statement alone that you express who you really are, for you own words have betrayed you. And oh, how sad it is. That a man or women has to defend themself and think and entertain it is so necessary that that has to be.

What a sad epitaph, to be written in stone

 

[God's Truth]

Why do you have to defend yourself, for that practice is of, “The People” of this world.
Now that statement alone that you express who you really are, for you own words have betrayed you. And oh, how sad it is.

That a man or women has to defend themself and think and entertain it is so necessary that that has to be.

What a sad epitaph, to be written in stone

LOL
More of you accusing and don't see that it is you who is the accuser.

There is nothing wrong with defending oneself, Paul had to do it many times.

Good grief, you don't even know that?

Is it something Calvin missed on teaching you?

You want me to give you the scriptures that show Paul did a lot of defending himself?

You want to call it wrong and then you are falsely judging Paul and me.

 

[Garee]

No. Where does the Bible say that?

The Jews used to call Abraham their father, they were blood related to him.

As for Christians, Abraham is our father by faith.

I would offer I think Mathew 3: 9 testifies to it .

Jesus addressing what he called a brood of vipers , false apostles, bringing false prophecy having a false kind of father (men) ,

Like you said The Jews used to call Abraham their father, they were blood related to him. As for Christians the new name for jn ward Jew born of the Spirit , Abraham is our father by faith. just as he was for some of the Jews to include Abraham he knew he was not God as our Eternal father .Its why his name was changed from Abram the father of one, to Abraham the father of all the nations of the world .

They which were blood related to him venerated his flesh rather than worshiping or venerating the Spirit our one Father in heaven . The Christain Abraham . Catholic do the same wit Peter .They have Peter to our father, rather than God . . our one father (not a legion)


Mathew 3:7-9 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It would seem he was saying he does not need them blood relatives related to him. He could raise up a whole body of lively stones .Flesh and blood returns to dust

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

I would offer I think Mathew 3: 9 testifies to it .

Jesus addressing what he called a brood of vipers , false apostles, bringing false prophecy having a false kind of father (men) ,

Jesus didn't call ALL the people who called Abraham "father" as vipers!

Only those who weren't really children of Abraham did he call vipers.

They weren't real children of Abraham because they did what Abraham would NOT do.

If they were children of Abraham they would believe in Jesus and not try to have Jesus killed.

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL
More of you accusing and don't see that it is you who is the accuser.

There is nothing wrong with defending oneself, Paul had to do it many times.

Good grief, you don't even know that?

Is it something Calvin missed on teaching you?

You want me to give you the scriptures that show Paul did a lot of defending himself?

You want to call it wrong and then you are falsely judging Paul and me.

You are, a creature of this world “100% Pure, you are a “pure breed”. And 100% religious without 1 drop of Contamination.

 

[God's Truth]

You are, a creature of this world “100% Pure, you are a “pure breed”. And 100% religious without 1 drop of Contamination.

Paul defended himself and you go against a chosen Apostle of the Lord's.

You have to talk about scriptures and doctrines not just make false insults.

Explain why you think that about me and use the quote feature and scripture to prove what I said as being wrong.

You can't.

So if you can't, then keep your mere insults to yourself.

 

[PloughBoy]

Paul defended himself and you go against a chosen Apostle of the Lord's.

You have to talk about scriptures and doctrines not just make false insults.

Explain why you think that about me and use the quote feature and scripture to prove what I said as being wrong.

You can't.

So if you can't, then keep your mere insults to yourself.

You are the one talking, I cannot help what comes out of your own mouth.

And I will ask this again, “Are you a female or male? Asking in kindness.

 

[God's Truth]

You are the one talking, I cannot help what comes out of your own mouth.

Who told you that you can help what comes out of my mouth?

You said I was exposed as being a worldly person for defending myself.
You said that because your teacher Calvin didn't explain to you that Paul defended himself a lot and it isn't wrong.

And I will ask this again, “Are you a female or male? Asking in kindness.

Are you proving more that you are worldly?
Now stop derailing the thread.

 

[Garee]

The Jews used to only know of God the Father, and now they are told they have to go through Jesus, the Son of God.

Again what kind of Jew only used knows God the father ? ,The inward born again Jew or the outward Jew according to what the eyes see the flesh of atheist Jew.?


And no one could know the father alone

.No son ,no father no father no son .

1 John 2:23 Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too

Salvation is the work of two working as one empowered by one . . (Elohim) two

 

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I am not disagreeing with you whatsoever here, but will ask a question.

In this portion of your statement; Did you mean “human” or the gender “man”? Pertaining to the whole content of your statement?

Your quote:
The Lord shows that such religiosity is beneath contempt. For if a man is not looking after those in his care,

Hello @PloughBoy,

I am speaking of mankind in general, regardless of gender.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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While that was a lovely picture of your beliefs and you telling me not to speak against another's beliefs, even though a person says they are a Bible believer and have only One God...that same God and Bible says to contend for the faith, and explains it is the right thing to do when you correct another, and even vigorously refute others in public debate concerning the things of God.

Hello @Garee,

Forgive me, my comment was not intended to be taken personally, I was speaking generally.

I agree that we must contend for the faith, but on the basis of what is written in God's Word (objectively), and not subjectively (in a critical capacity). The individual does not come into this, for it is the Word of God that has the last word on any matter, not the individual, don't you agree?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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So is Honoring our Mother and Father and Elders is only A Conditional of Earning That Respect as being taught today through “Christianity” if so why?​

' I receive not honour from men.
But I know you, (the Jews who sought to discredit Him)
that ye have not the love of God in you.
I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another,
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father:
there is one that accuseth you,
even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses,
ye would have believed Me:
for he wrote of Me.
But if ye believe not his writings,
how shall ye believe My words?
(Joh 5:41-47)

Hello PloughBoy,

I find that your subject headings always contain more to consider than that is obvious at first glance, and time and again I find that there is another perspective to be taken into consideration within it. It questions whether, within Christian circles, honouring Father, Mother and one's Elders is taught only as a means of gaining respect: and for no other purpose. Is that what you meant to convey?

* Looking at the word 'honour' and it's usage by the Holy Spirit in the Word of God, the first word of instruction in regard to it I found in Exodus 20:-

'Honour thy father and thy mother:
that thy days may be long upon the land
which the LORD thy God giveth thee.'
(Exodus20:12)

* The Children of Israel were withdrawn from the land and dispersed among the nations when judged and found wanting by God, and were returned when they repented. So it is obvious that the act of honouring Father and Mother was important to God (Deuteronomy 5:16), as was honouring the elderly (Leviticus 19:32), and not showing partiality in judgment on the basis of status or in regard to wealth or the lack of it (Leviticus 19:15).

* Coming to the New Testament, and the atmosphere that will prevail in the last day, I see within the list that disobedience to parents, and unthankfulness are included:-

'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,
blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded,
lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness,but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away.'
(2 Tim. 3:1-5))

... From such we are to 'turn away'.

* Like Israel's Redeemer, we should prayerfully say,

' Let my mouth be filled with Thy praise
and with Thy honour all the day.'
(Psa 71:8)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[God's Truth]

Again what kind of Jew only used knows God the father ?

Before Jesus, God the Father was the only One known, they didn't know about Jesus Christ yet until he came and was revealed in the New Testament times.

,The inward born again Jew or the outward Jew according to what the eyes see the flesh of atheist Jew.?

Not all Jews had faith in God.
The old covenant was not based on faith it was based on the works of the law, which are the purification works.
Some Jews had faith and some did not, but all Jews whether or not they had faith in God they had to do the works of the law.
The Jews lived by being clean and not as the unclean people.

God did not like it when the Jews would sin, then do purification works, but not really be sorry for their sins.
He said He would make a New Covenant one day.

Jesus came and made that New Covenant based on faith.

Now Jews and Gentiles can be saved by believing and obey the teachings of Jesus.

And no one could know the father alone

.No son ,no father no father no son .

Again, BEFORE JESUS CAME, the Jews did NOT know about a son of God.
For thousands of years the Jews ONLY KNEW OF GOD THE FATHER.

Do you get it now?

The Jews who already belonged to God the Father by faith and obedience, when Jesus came they had to start believing in the son to keep belonging to the Father.

1 John 2:23 Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too

Salvation is the work of two working as one empowered by one . . (Elohim) two

I am talking about before they ever heard of a son.

 

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Hello again, @PloughBoy,

Looking again at honouring Father and Mother, and obedience to parents, I thought of God's words to the children of Israel, through Moses, in consideration of the generations of children which would be born to them, having not seen the power of God in action at the exodus from Egypt as their Father's had. God instructed those same 'Fathers' as follows, in Deuteronomy 11:16-23:-

'Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived,
and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
And then the LORD'S wrath be kindled against you,
and He shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit;
and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
And ye shall teach them your children,
speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children,
in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,
as the days of heaven upon the earth.
For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you,
to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, and to cleave unto Him;
Then will the LORD drive out all these nations from before you,
and ye shall possess greater nations and mightier than yourselves.'
(Deu 11:16-23)

* This is why honouring of Father and Mother and Elder was so important, for it is they who would teach them concerning the power and greatness of their God, and teach them concerning His ways, for them to walk in. It also reveals the reason why, 'disobedience to parents', was among the signs of the end times, yes?

* It also shows the important role of believing parents, to teach their children concerning the Lord and His salvation, and to walk in His ways.

'Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise )
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath:
but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.'
(Eph 6:1-4)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

Before Jesus, God the Father was the only One known, they didn't know about Jesus Christ yet until he came and was revealed in the New Testament times.

The word Elohim denotes two gods working in creation , the six days God did all the work as the lamb slain a principle or law . Elohim . . One divine Spirit working with the temporal spirit of the Son of man the demonstration .it was demonstrated as propmised thousands of year later. Two through the Bible represents the witness of God (the father and the Son) . they cannot be separate any more than faith from works .The faith of God is the work of God . Two It is greater than the witness of man. . one.

Not all Jews had faith in God.
The old covenant was not based on faith it was based on the works of the law, which are the purification works.
Some Jews had faith and some did not, but all Jews whether or not they had faith in God they had to do the works of the law.
The Jews lived by being clean and not as the unclean people.

Yes not all Jews were born again in ward Jews. Like that of Abel the first apostle and recorded martyr. Before the nation of Jews was developed.

God did not like it when the Jews would sin, then do purification works, but not really be sorry for their sins.
He said He would make a New Covenant one day.

Jesus came and made that New Covenant based on faith.

Both covenants as one were based on the one faith of God's labor of love.

You are not defining ceremonially laws described as they are written. But follow the same error of the unbelieving outward Jew A person cannot worship shadows of the good things to come.


,Purification work or ceremonial laws as shadows of the unseen substance were used as a parable for a time period .They were reformed during the first century reformation same standard for any reformation. .

The abomination of desolation Kings in Israel was made to no effect by sola scriptura. . all things writen in the law and the prophets.

Hebrew 9: 8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying,(shadow) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.


Shadows never made mankind clean(works righteousness) it was a gospel sign to the word not a sign to them that they were believers .We walk by faith the unseen not empty shadows of cerinimoinal laws .

 

[PloughBoy]

Hello again, @PloughBoy,

Looking again at honouring Father and Mother, and obedience to parents, I thought of God's words to the children of Israel, through Moses, in consideration of the generations of children which would be born to them, having not seen the power of God in action at the exodus from Egypt as their Father's had. God instructed those same 'Fathers' as follows, in Deuteronomy 11:16-23:-

'Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived,
and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
And then the LORD'S wrath be kindled against you,
and He shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit;
and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
And ye shall teach them your children,
speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children,
in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,
as the days of heaven upon the earth.
For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you,
to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, and to cleave unto Him;
Then will the LORD drive out all these nations from before you,
and ye shall possess greater nations and mightier than yourselves.'
(Deu 11:16-23)

* This is why honouring of Father and Mother and Elder was so important, for it is they who would teach them concerning the power and greatness of their God, and teach them concerning His ways, for them to walk in. It also reveals the reason why, 'disobedience to parents', was among the signs of the end times, yes?

* It also shows the important role of believing parents, to teach their children concerning the Lord and His salvation, and to walk in His ways.

'Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise )
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath:
but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.'
(Eph 6:1-4)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Not taking away from your collective-ments.
So, are we saying “Honoring mother and fathers and old people which are [elders]. Is for the “benefit” of humanity?

Remember now all of The Old Testament characters and prophets lived in The Dark, veiled and had no concept that which is “Revealed” in “Jesus Christ”. Although The Prophets prophesied, does not mean they fully understood what they Prophesied about. For many only came to visions of “Anthropomorphic” understandings!

“for eyes have not seen, nor ears heard, or things entered the mind of [anykind] a man”

He only revealed this to “us”…ff.

So, I will say, The Target is not “Humanity” it is “ETERNITY”, that is what “we” call “A long life”, dead men don’t live long life.

“so let the dead bury the dead” it is amazing “The walking dead do not know they are dead although they are walking, singing, and quoting “Scripture”, and they hear and see and feel For the door, but they still can’t see the door. “Dead men walking” and they are not! “zombies” They are “Adam and Eve’s babies, born on “Planet Earth”.

Their mission is; is to Exhalt themselves above “The Stars of GOD” to be like The Most High!

PS:
Is anyone getting a “Nose Bleed”?
Don’t worry, it is called “Altitude sickness”

We have “Altiude” sickness on This channel and “Deep Dive”sickness, That covers a “Wide Variety” of “A very Wide Area that Stretches beyond The Universe into the very unknown.

And “Complete” we are apart of The One and “we” have not even got started, For this is only “The Beginning “ [GENESIS]
Hold on we are in for a “Ride”!

Humanity is already in the past and They do not, even know it!

1Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seekingthe things that are above, whereChrist is, seated at the right handof God. 2[a]Set your minds on the things that are above, not on the things that are on earth. 3For you have died, and your life is hiddenwith Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, thenyou also will be revealed with Him in glory…ff.

 

[PloughBoy]

Listen to The Religious as they speak it is always about The earth, Many do not view The Earth as “The Fig Tree” with many branches and many leaves. When many think of The Earth, They Think “Cultivation and fertilising”.

Although I am speaking English many do not have “The Ability” to understand what I am saying, but they believe they understand every word. “GOD does not Lie”.

 

[Garee]

So, are we saying “Honoring mother and fathers and old people which are [elders]. Is for the “benefit” of humanity?

Remember now all of The Old Testament characters and prophets lived in The Dark, veiled and had no concept that which is “Revealed” in “Jesus Christ”. Although The Prophets prophesied, does not mean they fully understood what they Prophesied about. For many only came to visions of “Anthropomorphic” understandings!

“for eyes have not seen, nor ears heard, or things entered the mind of [anykind] a man”

Anthropomorphic” understandings? The interpretation of parables?

It benefits the gospel as that which works in some of mankind . Its not a suggestion but is a loving commandment

Old testament as well as new (one testament made of two.) The law and the prophets. Or the law and its testimony. The two witnesses of God .

Many understandings came in parable which without Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not

For eyes have not seen, nor ears heard, or things entered the mind. It is the formula for faith the unseen eternal throughout the Bible . The temporal must be mixed with the eternal faith if we desire to enter his rest .

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

If we have the same spirit of faith as the old testament saints then we have the same salvation . We look back to the glory of the cross by the same faith they looked ahead to the promise


2 Corinthians 4: 13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

 

[God's Truth]

The word Elohim denotes two gods working in creation ,

God is one.
There are not two gods.
The Jews did not believe in two gods.
They believed in the One God the Father.

the six days God did all the work as the lamb slain a principle or law

Jesus was not slain before he was slain.
You are going by a false understanding of a scripture.

Jesus didn't get slain before he came to earth and was slain.

You misunderstand that scripture.

Here are better translations:

Revelation 13:8 NET Bible and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

New Heart English Bible All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been killed.

New American Standard 1977 And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

American Standard Version And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Darby Bible Translation and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.


There is no such thing as Jesus being slain twice.

Jesus died ONCE and for ALL.

It is the BOOK AND THE PLAN OF SALVATION that was written before the foundation of the world.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

. Elohim . . One divine Spirit working with the temporal spirit of the Son of man the demonstration .it was demonstrated as propmised thousands of year later.

God the Father came in the flesh as a son of man. Jesus' spirit within him is the Spirit of the Father come as a human. Then later, for Jesus' ministry, Jesus is baptized for an example to us, and he is given the Holy Spirit WITH POWER, power from God the Father for His earthly ministry.

Two through the Bible represents the witness of God (the father and the Son) .

God came to us and reveals Himself to us by three.

they cannot be separate any more than faith from works .

Faith and works CAN BE SEPARATE, or else we wouldn't be warned against it!

The faith of God is the work of God .

Here comes again the teaching a doctrine from the word 'of'.
We have to have faith in Jesus.
Our faith in God is a work and it is the work God requires of us, along with obeying all the other things God says to do.

Two It is greater than the witness of man. . one.

I don't understand what you are saying there.

Yes not all Jews were born again in ward Jews. Like that of Abel the first apostle and recorded martyr. Before the nation of Jews was developed.

No such thing yet as born again.
Being born again could only happen with Jesus after he came to live as a human then die, rise again and ascend to heaven and send the promised Holy Spirit.

Both covenants as one were based on the one faith of God's labor of love.

You are not defining ceremonially laws described as they are written. But follow the same error of the unbelieving outward Jew A person cannot worship shadows of the good things to come.

lol
From your false teachings of Jesus dying before the world was made, and you saying people could be born again before Jesus came and saying he was here all along as a way to be saved by his death, then you make the purification works as no shadows.

,Purification work or ceremonial laws as shadows of the unseen substance were used as a parable for a time period .They were reformed during the first century reformation same standard for any reformation. .

The abomination of desolation Kings in Israel was made to no effect by sola scriptura. . all things writen in the law and the prophets.

What?

Hebrew 9: 8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying,(shadow) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.


Shadows never made mankind clean(works righteousness) it was a gospel sign to the word not a sign to them that they were believers .We walk by faith the unseen not empty shadows of cerinimoinal laws .

Obeying the commands of God by doing the purification works were just a shadow, but those works STILL HAD TO BE OBEYED. We cannot disobey God. Those shadows made people OUTWARDLY clean, and they HAD TO DO THEM.

Hebrews 9:13
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
Hebrews 9:22
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[*Lavender]

I guess we can look at what honouring can mean.
If our parents truely know God and His Word, we can honour them and respect them and do likewise.

If however our parents do not follow God. We can honour them in a different way. To sieve out worldly advice and follow the Word of God.
To be ready to forgive if we were damaged by our parents.
To not remember bad things and treat them really well in their frailty.
To support them when they need us regardless of whether they treated us well or treated us badly.
To pray for them and that they will know God, if they don't.
That's more based on a large time scale.