The Dangerous Lie That You Don’t Need to Repent

[B-A-C]

God is not served by the dying hands as a will of mankind

Nonsense. Almost every story in the Bible is about someone doing something for God.
Here is an excerpt from just one chapter of a book in the Bible.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going.
Heb 11:9 By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;
Heb 11:10 for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Heb 11:11 By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;
Heb 11:18 it was he to whom it was said, "IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED."
Heb 11:19 He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.
Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau, even regarding things to come.
Heb 11:21 By faith Jacob, as he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.
Heb 11:22 By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the exodus of the sons of Israel, and gave orders concerning his bones.
Heb 11:23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king's edict.
Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,
Heb 11:25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin,

All of these things were done by humans serving God. God is absolutely served by mankind (dying flesh as like to call it).

 

[B-A-C]

Christ does all the work of salvation', 100% correct and sound.

Calvinist hogwash.

I find it interesting you put a like on this post. (but I suppose you can remove it)

Thread 'The Works doctrine.'

Dec 5, 2024

The dreaded works doctrine.

The Bible says we are not saved by works.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

You rarely hear verse 10 above quoted with the other two, I sometimes wonder why?
However, the Bible also says...

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may...

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[Curtis]

No amount of works could ever prove that a person as any faith, but true faith does produce works of righteousness.

Anybody can have works without faith, but nobody can have faith without works.

Works without faith produces works of iniquity.(I never knew you…)

 

[B-A-C]

No amount of works could ever prove that a person as any faith, but true faith does produce works of righteousness.

More unbiblical Calvinist nonsense.

Heb_11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

1Pet 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

 

[KingJ]

Calvinist hogwash.

I find it interesting you put a like on this post. (but I suppose you can remove it)

Thread 'The Works doctrine.'

Dec 5, 2024

The dreaded works doctrine.

The Bible says we are not saved by works.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

You rarely hear verse 10 above quoted with the other two, I sometimes wonder why?
However, the Bible also says...

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may...

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• Replies: 6
• Forum: Bible Study

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Maybe I am missing something then.

Salvation is a gift to those that repent. There is no salvation gifted unless we repent.

Calvinism would teach there is salvation, repentance or not.

 

[Curtis]

More unbiblical Calvinist nonsense.

Heb_11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

1Pet 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

What about these people do they fit into your works-based theology?

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Rhema]

Maybe I am missing something then.

Salvation is a gift to those that repent. There is no salvation gifted unless we repent.

Forgiveness IS salvation, received when one Repents.

The gift isn't salvation.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission/forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

- Acts 2:38 KJV

Agape,
Rhema

 

[B-A-C]

Salvation is a gift to those that repent. There is no salvation gifted unless we repent.

Agreed. But the repentance is up to you.

 

[KingJ]

Agreed. But the repentance is up to you.

Full agreement!

 

[KingJ]

Forgiveness IS salvation, received when one Repents.

The gift isn't salvation.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission/forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

- Acts 2:38 KJV

Agape,
Rhema

Salvation = saved. Reconciliation with God for those who repent. Saved from punishment of sin and a life away from God. Only the blood Jesus shed on the cross can give this.

Forgiveness is related, sure, but a separate topic. The gift of the Holy Spirit is also a separate matter.