cb6mustang5
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I'm so confused. In a way it sounds as if the Bible is conflicting on whether we are under the Laws, or not. I'm lost!
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Peace lettheredeemed
Yahshua is my teacher and the eternal Living Word. He never leaves, but many walk away from him by not obeying what he taught. Then at the end will be judgement.
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1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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Once saved always saved is a lie. The ones who fall away from the faith will be broken off (Rom 11:20, Mat 3:29, mat 12:33 )
2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yahshua Messiah, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandments delivered unto them
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Grace is for past sins, and we are not to sin after becoming born again:
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto Yahweh, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve Yahweh?
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Faith without works is dead (James 2:18-26) & (Rom 3:27-31) Do we then make the law void through our faith? Yahweh forbid: Yes we shall keep the law.
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There is much we must do to get and keep saved "Love Yahweh and do His will (Mat 22:36-37), Become Born Again (John 3:7), Stop sinning (Rev 21:8), Don't take the Mark of the beast, or worship it's image (Rev 19:20) and more".
Yahshua clearly said many will fall away from the faith in the last days (Mat 24:10, 1Tim 4:1).
The ones he will reject are the law breakers (Mat 7:21-23) and those people actually thought they would be saved.
Here is Yahshua quoting Deut 8:3 > (Luke 4:4 And Yahshua answered unto him, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of Yahweh.
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I won't take the mark, and I don't fear men that can kill my body. I already died and am alive in Yahshua.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Follow after Yahshua the true teacher, and trust ONLY IN HIM unto Salvation. Stay on the one way path with him unto the end, and don't let anybody leed you astray.
Peace to you all on this Sabbath in Yahshua's name.
HalleluYah (Praise Yahweh)
Peace lettheredeemed
Yahshua is my teacher and the eternal Living Word. He never leaves, but many walk away from him by not obeying what he taught. Then at the end will be judgement.
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1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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Once saved always saved is a lie. The ones who fall away from the faith will be broken off (Rom 11:20, Mat 3:29, mat 12:33 )
2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yahshua Messiah, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandments delivered unto them
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Grace is for past sins, and we are not to sin after becoming born again:
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto Yahweh, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve Yahweh?
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Faith without works is dead (James 2:18-26) & (Rom 3:27-31) Do we then make the law void through our faith? Yahweh forbid: Yes we shall keep the law.
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There is much we must do to get and keep saved "Love Yahweh and do His will (Mat 22:36-37), Become Born Again (John 3:7), Stop sinning (Rev 21:8), Don't take the Mark of the beast, or worship it's image (Rev 19:20) and more".
Yahshua clearly said many will fall away from the faith in the last days (Mat 24:10, 1Tim 4:1).
The ones he will reject are the law breakers (Mat 7:21-23) and those people actually thought they would be saved.
Here is Yahshua quoting Deut 8:3 > (Luke 4:4 And Yahshua answered unto him, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of Yahweh.
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I won't take the mark, and I don't fear men that can kill my body. I already died and am alive in Yahshua.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Follow after Yahshua the true teacher, and trust ONLY IN HIM unto Salvation. Stay on the one way path with him unto the end, and don't let anybody leed you astray.
Peace to you all on this Sabbath in Yahshua's name.
HalleluYah (Praise Yahweh)
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I don't believe in the Rapture with a seven year tribulation. There is not one place in the Bible that says such a thing. The Catholic church came up with the whole post-tribulation idea because Martin Luther and many others pointed out that the Papacy is the Anti-christ.
We will be here to see everything until Jesus comes for us and the people who have not accepted Jesus will be destroyed. There is no seven years to decide to accept, just another lie brought by the Papacy.[/QUOTE]
Forgive me. Martin Luther pointed out that the Papacy is the Beast in Revelation 13. The Anti-christ with rise up from with-in.
We will be here to see everything until Jesus comes for us and the people who have not accepted Jesus will be destroyed. There is no seven years to decide to accept, just another lie brought by the Papacy.[/QUOTE]
Forgive me. Martin Luther pointed out that the Papacy is the Beast in Revelation 13. The Anti-christ with rise up from with-in.
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I never said anything about a rapture. None of the above quoted message is from me. Where did you come up with that?
His Child
I never said anything about a rapture. None of the above quoted message is from me. Where did you come up with that?
His Child
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Don't take our word for it. Seek it out for yourself. It can be confusing but it doesn't have to be when you begin to read things in context. If you are a young Christian, I encourage you to start with the gospel of John. Begin reading through the Bible ask Jesus to guide you in your quest for truth. He taught us that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. Pay close attention to the book of Romans and Galatians. It is clearly outlined there. Trust God as you read to show you.
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His Child,
Lettheredeemed said that as a child of God we will not be here to expeirence the tribulation, which is talking about the rapture. We will expierence the tribulation, we are not immune. No hard feelings anyone, I'm trying to learn and expressing what I have learned myself.
Lettheredeemed said that as a child of God we will not be here to expeirence the tribulation, which is talking about the rapture. We will expierence the tribulation, we are not immune. No hard feelings anyone, I'm trying to learn and expressing what I have learned myself.
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You have no right to say when or when not Jesus is coming. Only the Father knows, no one else.
Luke 12:35-48
The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant
35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?”
42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
Luke 12:35-48
The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant
35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?”
42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
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No one here has give one bit of biblical evidence that supports the church,the Bride of Christ, going through the tribulation. The tribulation is a time that God will deal with His chosen the nation of Israel.
Why the Church Will Not Go Through the Great Tribulation Mat. 24:21
1. The Church is not found anywhere on earth in Revelation chapters 6 through 19.
2. The Church is waiting for the Lord, not for the Tribulation - I Thes. 1:10
3. The Church is not appointed unto wrath - I Thes. 5:9; 1:10
4. The Church, consisting of Spirit-filled believers, must be removed before the Antichrist can be revealed - II Thes. 2:1-11
5. The Tribulation is a Jewish time known as Daniel's seventieth "week" (Dan. 9:24-26), and the "time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7)
6. The Church returns from Heaven with Christ at the end of the Tribulation - Rev. 19:11; Jude 14
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Reply about last day rapture
Peace Faitful Son,
I agree that nobody besides Yahweh knows when that last day will happen, and I believe in, and support what Yahshua taught about his return on the last day.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Concerning Lazereth >> John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thess 4:6 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMPET of Yahweh: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first: [/U]
Mat 24:29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of the TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
In fact if Yahshua doesn't come back with his angels on that last day after the tribulation, then no flesh would survive, but some will.
Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever to be again. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Messiah, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret temple; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
It's going to be very bright FROM HIS GLORY when Yahshua returns on the LAST DAY when we are CAUGHT UP away from this earth to meet him in the clouds
2Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Master shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
1 Thess 4:17 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of Yahweh: and the dead in Messiaht shall rise first: 17 then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Master IN THE SKY: and so shall we ever be with the Master.
And what does Yahshua say about all of this? >>>>
Mat 23:39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF YAHWEH.
Rom 10:13 Whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved.
Do you want to see what the the scriptures say will really happen to the Saints and Christians during the tribulation before Yahshua returns?
Do you want to see what will also happen to this current earth after that last day when Yahshua returns?, and where Yahshua will take us that are saved after we are caught up away from this earth?
His Child
Peace Faitful Son,
I agree that nobody besides Yahweh knows when that last day will happen, and I believe in, and support what Yahshua taught about his return on the last day.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Concerning Lazereth >> John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thess 4:6 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMPET of Yahweh: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first: [/U]
Mat 24:29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of the TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
In fact if Yahshua doesn't come back with his angels on that last day after the tribulation, then no flesh would survive, but some will.
Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever to be again. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Messiah, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret temple; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
It's going to be very bright FROM HIS GLORY when Yahshua returns on the LAST DAY when we are CAUGHT UP away from this earth to meet him in the clouds
2Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Master shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
1 Thess 4:17 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of Yahweh: and the dead in Messiaht shall rise first: 17 then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Master IN THE SKY: and so shall we ever be with the Master.
And what does Yahshua say about all of this? >>>>
Mat 23:39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF YAHWEH.
Rom 10:13 Whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved.
Do you want to see what the the scriptures say will really happen to the Saints and Christians during the tribulation before Yahshua returns?
Do you want to see what will also happen to this current earth after that last day when Yahshua returns?, and where Yahshua will take us that are saved after we are caught up away from this earth?
His Child
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Have you ever stopped to think that maybe "the last day" is a way of saying in the last days? That maybe at the end times Jesus will return like He explained in Matthew 24?
You twist the scripture, that's how I see it. Last trumpet and last day has nothing to do with each other and quite frankly I don't have the time to argue with you and I really don't want to know what you "suppose" will happen.
I read my Bible, God teaches me through His Word, if He said no one knows when Jesus will return, then I believe it, no one knows.
Another thing, don't bold your text in red when you address me, I'm not blind and neither willing to read something which you highlight to make your point.
You twist the scripture, that's how I see it. Last trumpet and last day has nothing to do with each other and quite frankly I don't have the time to argue with you and I really don't want to know what you "suppose" will happen.
I read my Bible, God teaches me through His Word, if He said no one knows when Jesus will return, then I believe it, no one knows.
Another thing, don't bold your text in red when you address me, I'm not blind and neither willing to read something which you highlight to make your point.
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His Child,
Thank you. I am in total agreement with you. The whole Left Behind senario is a false teaching. When you are on a vacation, would you say that this is the last day on the last week? When I see last day I think of the last day on vacation and it's time to go back home.
If you find something different as far as the 7 years of tribulation and us not being here for it, please provide biblical evidence. Because my understanding is, we will be here, we will deal with the antichrist, we will have to decide to not take the mark. Jesus will appear take the sleeping(dead) then the living and whoever He did not rise up will have sudden destruction. For no one knows the day or the hour, and I completely agree with this, but to say that we will be lifted up before all this happens is hopeful thinking.
Thank you. I am in total agreement with you. The whole Left Behind senario is a false teaching. When you are on a vacation, would you say that this is the last day on the last week? When I see last day I think of the last day on vacation and it's time to go back home.
If you find something different as far as the 7 years of tribulation and us not being here for it, please provide biblical evidence. Because my understanding is, we will be here, we will deal with the antichrist, we will have to decide to not take the mark. Jesus will appear take the sleeping(dead) then the living and whoever He did not rise up will have sudden destruction. For no one knows the day or the hour, and I completely agree with this, but to say that we will be lifted up before all this happens is hopeful thinking.
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I have a question ?
If God saved Noah from the flood and Lot from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Why would he pour out his wrath on his own people. Christians are being prosecuted today but its by man.
Can you show me scripture where it states, God's wrath will be poured out on those who kept his commands.
ps.. please dont twist scripture to prove your own beliefs.
If God saved Noah from the flood and Lot from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Why would he pour out his wrath on his own people. Christians are being prosecuted today but its by man.
Can you show me scripture where it states, God's wrath will be poured out on those who kept his commands.
ps.. please dont twist scripture to prove your own beliefs.
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I didn't say God would pour out his wrath on Children of God, that is the sudden destruction that will be recieved on the ungodly once we are gone. How are the most elect going to be fooled by the antichrist when the most elect will be reaptured. Doesn't make sense. If christians were to be raptured, then 7 years, that wouldn't make anyone elect because they were "left behind" in the first place, correct?
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God doesn't have to judge the blood-bought church. Jesus endured our judgement for us.
Do you know that a good percentage of the old testement is prophetical?
Check out the Book of Jeremiah.
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I'm sorry I even posted without having any biblical scriptures. I am very new to Christ and just want to learn. I have a lot of reading and studying of the scriptures to do. I am done posting on this topic because of lack of knowledge and of the Bible. Forgive me.
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There is no need for you to withdraw from the thread , nothing is wrong with asking questions or not knowing the bible word for word.
But it's always wise to pray before you post, and also do a little bible study to make sure things line up with the bible.
The point is for us to grow.
Being honest that we dont know everything,but want to learn is good.
I'm here to learn.
But it's always wise to pray before you post, and also do a little bible study to make sure things line up with the bible.
The point is for us to grow.
Being honest that we dont know everything,but want to learn is good.
I'm here to learn.
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