The Sabbath

[cb6mustang5]

The original topic of this thread and poll was this



Please stick to the topic. If you want to discuss tribulation, there are ample threads about it. Or, start a new one.

Wanted to but it was erased

 

[jiggyfly]

I understand that we are to trust and rely on Jesus Christ fully, not a problem for me to understand this. The Spirit is leading me to believe that we have to keep his commandments, even with the new covenent. I love the Lord with all my heart, which leads me to want to keep his commands.

1 John 5:1-3

1* Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ ia born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who gegotten of Him. 2* By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3* For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

So the question that I have is, what commandments are we to keep? If we are no longer under the Law(commandments) of God, then what Law(commandments) are we to obey without burden?

The law of the Spirit.

 

[jiggyfly]

Peace cb6mustang5,

I agree we can't be saved by keeping the laws alone, nor by faith or grace alone.

Grace is for past sins, and not for sins comitted after being born again.

Faith with works is dead.

It starts with faith and faith means believing. If our belief is true, then believe means submitting and abiding in Yahshua "the Word of Yahweh" (John 1:1, John 1;14, Rev 19:13)

It's doing everything "our very best and always to show the Heavenly Father that we truely love Him back. He loved us first and proved so much by giving us His very best only begotten son Yahshua.

Mat 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You see Yahweh is Love (1John 4:8), and Yahshua was showing us the Father within him (John 14:10). Yahshua wants us to do the same. When we love one another, were showing others our Father Yahweh within us.

If your love for Him is true, then you will obey as much of His Word that you possibly can. Whoever told you that were not under His laws is a liar. There is the law of faith, the Royal law, and Yahweh writes His laws in our hearts and minds. When we recieve His Word, it goes into our minds, then we lay it to heart and live by it.

If you break His laws, then you are sinning and there is no more grace, but rather judgement.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Some think the laws are just for the Jews, but I got news for you. Yahshua was a Jew, and we have been grafted into him. We are now Jews of the Spirital Israel, and the one true temple of Yahweh as living stones that build up this spiritual house/place (1Pet 2:4-7), being members of one another (Rom 12:5).

Yahshua is the corner stone that we build on, and the New Jerusalem is the Mother of us all (GA 4:26). WE WHO ARE IN YAHSHUA ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD TO LEED OTHERS OUT OF THE DARKNESS UNTO HIM (Mat 5:14)

2Pet 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yahshua Ha Mashiyach, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first. 21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

We can't pick and choose what part of His Word to keep, and that seems what most peope are doing to meet their own understandings.

Whosoever does and teaches the law will be called great in heaven (Mat 5:19)

Yahweh doesn't dwell in sin, and neither shall we. We don't keep the laws for trying to earn salvation. We keep His laws for keeping our temple pure so that He can dwell in us. (1Cor 3:16)

So are you without sin now? You have not addressed any of the scriptures that I listed in my first post, I wonder why? Please elaborate on Colossians 2:16&17, 2Corinthians 3:7-18, Galatians 3:1-5 & 5:1-6, Hebrews 8:1-13 & 10:1-7, Romans 7:1-6 & 8:1-4?>???

 

[Chad]

Peace cb6mustang5,

I agree we can't be saved by keeping the laws alone, nor by faith or grace alone.

Grace is for past sins, and not for sins comitted after being born again.

Faith with works is dead.

It starts with faith and faith means believing. If our belief is true, then believe means submitting and abiding in Yahshua "the Word of Yahweh" (John 1:1, John 1;14, Rev 19:13)

It's doing everything "our very best and always to show the Heavenly Father that we truely love Him back. He loved us first and proved so much by giving us His very best only begotten son Yahshua.

Mat 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You see Yahweh is Love (1John 4:8), and Yahshua was showing us the Father within him (John 14:10). Yahshua wants us to do the same. When we love one another, were showing others our Father Yahweh within us.

If your love for Him is true, then you will obey as much of His Word that you possibly can. Whoever told you that were not under His laws is a liar. There is the law of faith, the Royal law, and Yahweh writes His laws in our hearts and minds. When we recieve His Word, it goes into our minds, then we lay it to heart and live by it.

If you break His laws, then you are sinning and there is no more grace, but rather judgement.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Some think the laws are just for the Jews, but I got news for you. Yahshua was a Jew, and we have been grafted into him. We are now Jews of the Spirital Israel, and the one true temple of Yahweh as living stones that build up this spiritual house/place (1Pet 2:4-7), being members of one another (Rom 12:5).

Yahshua is the corner stone that we build on, and the New Jerusalem is the Mother of us all (GA 4:26). WE WHO ARE IN YAHSHUA ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD TO LEED OTHERS OUT OF THE DARKNESS UNTO HIM (Mat 5:14)

2Pet 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yahshua Ha Mashiyach, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first. 21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

We can't pick and choose what part of His Word to keep, and that seems what most peope are doing to meet their own understandings.

Whosoever does and teaches the law will be called great in heaven (Mat 5:19)

Yahweh doesn't dwell in sin, and neither shall we. We don't keep the laws for trying to earn salvation. We keep His laws for keeping our temple pure so that He can dwell in us. (1Cor 3:16)

This is so absurd. If grace (Jesus Christ's death on Calvary to pay for our sins) does not include sins after we are born again, then how do we receive redemption for our sins? Are you telling me you've never sinned after becoming born again? Are you telling me then we're condemned if we sin again after being born again?

Do not twist Scripture around here. You contradict the Word entirely. Be careful, this is GOD's Word here, not your own.

 

[lettheredeemed]

I'm sorry I even posted without having any biblical scriptures. I am very new to Christ and just want to learn. I have a lot of reading and studying of the scriptures to do. I am done posting on this topic because of lack of knowledge and of the Bible. Forgive me.

That is awesome that you are new believer and you want to learn. We are all learning. Don't feel bad. You are doing fine.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I'm sorry I even posted without having any biblical scriptures. I am very new to Christ and just want to learn. I have a lot of reading and studying of the scriptures to do. I am done posting on this topic because of lack of knowledge and of the Bible. Forgive me.

I applaud your humility, your willingness to admit your inexperience. The "Rapture" teaching (see Mt 24:40-41 & Lk 17:35)you read in the Jenkins-LaHaye books is widely popular, but not universally accepted.

The study notes for Luke 17:35 in my Bible say that the word "taken" in these verses could mean "taken into Heaven", but, they could also mean "taken out of harm's way" because Jesus was prophesying the destruction of Jerusalem that occurred in A.D. 70.

SpiritLedEd (SLE)

 

[His Child]

Responce to Chad

Peace Chad,

I will share with you what I believe the scriptures are saying, and will quote them for you to see if they back up what I believe.

This is so absurd. If grace (Jesus Christ's death on Calvary to pay for our sins) does not include sins after we are born again, then how do we receive redemption for our sins?

Yahshua taught: Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men.

We can see above there is no grace for that.

Then in Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

The above scriptures are very clear that we are not to sin after recieving teh truth who is Yahshua "the Word of Yahweh" John 1:1, John 1:14, Rev 19:13, and that if we do sin thereafter there will be judgment.

Those who deny Yahshua will also be denied Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

2 Pet 2:21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

That scripture is straight to the point.

Yahshua wasn't crucified to give us a green light to sin. His purpose for teaching us is so that we can repent from sin, become born again (John 3:7, 1 Pet 1:23) and come into righteousness, so that we can recieve salvation through him

The name Yahshua means: Yahweh is salvation. And nobody comes to the Father but through Yahshua "the Word of Yahweh". If we deny the Word of Yahweh, then we are denying Yahshua.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

John 3:17 For Yahweh sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Yahshua's blood washes us clean, and when we become born again we should not sin thereafter. If we sin thereafter we would be serving Satan's will. If Yahweh is our Father, we should do our best to always serve His will.

John 14:23 Yahshua answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the words that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

We are Yahweh's living temples that His spirit dwells in (1 Cor 3:16)

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Master, Master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but those that do the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of iniquity.

The word "iniquity" within the above scripture means: "law breakers - transgressors of the law " (Strongs # 458).

Conclusion
We want the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to dwell in us. To have them, we must accept His Word, and remain faithful by keeping His Word. We live in His Word, and His Word lives in us, and His Word is spirit and life (John 6:63). To be forgiven we must hear the gospel, believe, repent, confess Christ, and be baptized (Mark 16:15,16; Acts 2:38,42; 22:16; Rom. 1:16; 10:17; 6:3,4). Then we must continue serving Yahweh (Rom. 6:16-18; 1 Cor. 15:58; 1 John 2:3-6).

Believing in Yahshua means: To submit to and abide in, and He is the Word of Yahweh.

Are you telling me you've never sinned after becoming born again?

No I'm not saying that I never sinned after becoming born again, and I believe I will be judged accordingly.

Are you telling me then we're condemned if we sin again after being born again?

No I would never say anybody is condemned. I'm not to judge anybody.

One thing that's really good to know is, on judgement day Yahweh may give mercy on us for certain sins committed after being born again, and that's entirely up to Him, and how much might depend on the following scripture --> 1 Pet 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

So that's why I shared so many scriptures in my above post about loving Yahweh, and one another. But Yahweh doesn't want us to sin. He want's us to repent.

Mat 22:37 Yahshua said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with ALL thy heart, and with ALL thy soul, and with ALL thy mind.

I believe the majority of faithful Christians are in agreement with the above. Many non-denominational Christian websites share the same.

Blessings to you in Yahshua's name

His Child

 

[jiggyfly]

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. II Tim. 3:16,17

The man of God here is not the pastor it is every believer.

So are you suggesting that we only need the scriptures to lead us? That the scriptures themselves perfect us? What do you think Paul meant by "inspiration"?

 

[Chad]

His Child, you greatly contradict yourself. If there is NO grace after one becomes born again, then explain to me why Jesus forgave Peter for denying Him 3 times. What about every other sinner? Your teaching is un Scriptural.

 

[cb6mustang5]

Thank you for a Biblically sound site. I have taken peoples word for Truth in the past and now it's time to put my focus on God's word alone. If I am wrong on any subject I want to be pointed out and shown to be wrong with the Bible. I want to be a child of Christ completely and to follw his Word wholeheartedly. Thank you everyone for your input on this topic. Sorry I ran away, I am just so young in Christ and I get a little angry at times, and I apologize for that. Thank you again and may God be with you.

 

[His Child]

Responce to Chad

Blessings Chad,

His Child, you greatly contradict yourself. If there is NO grace after one becomes born again, then explain to me why Jesus forgave Peter for denying Him 3 times. What about every other sinner? Your teaching is un Scriptural.

Yahshua's was crucified after he said that to Peter, so I agree that Peter was forgiven of all his sins, and the Gospel was also preached to the dead (1 Pet 4:6).

I am not the teacher, and I have quoted several scriptures that were either taught by Yahshua, or directly spoken by him.

The Bible also has several scriptures that clearly identify the sinners that will not be saved. Here is one:

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So anybody who once recieved grace, if they therafter live the above sinful lifestyles, where do the scriptures say they are going?

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yahshua also said in the last days that many will fall away from the faith, and I don't think the people that take the mark and worship the beast will get very far.

2Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of Yahweh; 5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Most important is that we love Yahweh, and one another.

His Child

 

[Chad]

A person who sins after receiving salvation in Christ can indeed by forgiven. Its ludicrious to claim otherwise. Its one thing to sincerely repent, its another thing to die an unrepented sinner who lived a sinful lifestyle without any concern. Two different worlds.

Be careful what you preach.

 

[cb6mustang5]

I'm with you on this Chad. To say that after we become born again, if we sin we will be punished. That means that no one will see the Glory of God. There is not one Christian who has not sinned after conversion, and to say otherwise is complete nonsense. We must repent of any sin committed but we must also turn from that sin at the same time. We are human we slip up and sin, but by the grace of God we are forgiven once we repent.

 

[His Child]

To Chad

Hi Chad,

Thank you for your patience

A person who sins after receiving salvation in Christ can indeed by forgiven. Its ludicrious to claim otherwise. Its one thing to sincerely repent, its another thing to die an unrepented sinner who lived a sinful lifestyle without any concern. Two different worlds.

I agree that a person who sins after receiving salvation in Christ can be forgiven, however not if they Blasphemy the Holy spirit according to scripture Mat 12:31.

It seems that you do not fully or properly understand what I have been sharing.

I said Grace is for past sins, and not for sins comitted after being born again, and that we would receive judgement for any sins comitted thereafter "and we can't ignore this scripture -->

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Then it's up to Yahweh to decide if and/or how much forgiveness He will give. Then I said it might have something to do with love, as scripture says loving one another can erase a multitude of sins.

If someone was to teach that once we have recieved salvation in Christ that we can still sin all we want and still be saved no matter what, then that's clearly wrong teaching that can lead many astray, and it goes against the majority of the Christain church preachings.

Do you believe in once saved always saved?, or am I also misunderstanding you?

His Child

 

[Chad]

Hi Chad,

Thank you for your patience



I agree that a person who sins after receiving salvation in Christ can be forgiven, however not if they Blasphemy the Holy spirit according to scripture Mat 12:31.

It seems that you do not fully or properly understand what I have been sharing.

I said Grace is for past sins, and not for sins comitted after being born again, and that we would receive judgement for any sins comitted thereafter "and we can't ignore this scripture -->

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Then it's up to Yahweh to decide if and/or how much forgiveness He will give. Then I said it might have something to do with love, as scripture says loving one another can erase a multitude of sins.

If someone was to teach that once we have recieved salvation in Christ that we can still sin all we want and still be saved no matter what, then that's clearly wrong teaching that can lead many astray, and it goes against the majority of the Christain church preachings.

Do you believe in once saved always saved?, or am I also misunderstanding you?

His Child

I certainly do understand the Scripture quoted. Every sin = willfully done. If a sin is not willfully done, how is it done? By mistake? No. Its all willful. However, Scripture is referring to the unrepentant sinner, not the repentant sinner. That's two different things. So, if a sinner is repentant after receiving Salvation, then he or she DOES have GOD's grace (which of course is forgiveness in Christ).

Its not too difficult to understand this at all.

I think you should take a break from this thread sister and meditate on how you word yourself. You surely are contradicting your own views and the Word. Confusion is not from GOD and your causing confusion here.

Easton's Bible Dictionary

Grace:
(1.) Of form or person (Pro 1:9; 3:22; Psa 45:2). (2.) Favour, kindness, friendship (Gen 6:8; 18:3; 19:19; 2Ti 1:9). (3.) God's forgiving mercy (Rom 11:6; Eph 2:5). (4.) The gospel as distinguished from the law (Jhn 1:17; Rom 6:14; 1Pe 5:12). (5.) Gifts freely bestowed by God; as miracles, prophecy, tongues (Rom 15:15; 1Cr 15:10; Eph 3:8). (6.) Christian virtues (2Cr 8:7; 2Pe 3:18). (7.) The glory hereafter to be revealed (1Pe 1:13).

King James Dictionary
Kindness; Favor.

Grace:
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by GRACE ye are saved and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his GRACE in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:4-9)

 

[Chad]

MHC on Hebrews 10:26
(read entire commentary on chapter 10 here)

1. From the description he gives of the sin of apostasy. It is sinning wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, sinning wilfully against that truth of which we have had convincing evidence. This text has been the occasion of great distress to some gracious souls; they have been ready to conclude that every wilful sin, after conviction and against knowledge, is the unpardonable sin: but this has been their infirmity and error. The sin here mentioned is a total and final apostasy, when men with a full and fixed will and resolution despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour,—despise and resist the Spirit, the only sanctifier,—and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life; and all this after they have known, owned, and professed, the Christian religion, and continue to do so obstinately and maliciously. This is the great transgression: the apostle seems to refer to the law concerning presumptuous sinners, Num. 15:30, 31. They were to be cut off.

2. From the dreadful doom of such apostates. (1.) There remains no more sacrifice for such sins, no other Christ to come to save such sinners; they sin against the last resort and remedy. There were some sins under the law for which no sacrifices were provided; but yet if those who committed them did truly repent, though they might not escape temporal death, they might escape eternal destruction; for Christ would come, and make atonement. But now those under the gospel who will not accept of Christ, that they may be saved by him, have no other refuge left them. (2.) There remains for them only a certain fearful looking for of judgment, v. 27. Some think this refers to the dreadful destruction of the Jewish church and state; but certainly it refers also to the utter destruction that awaits all obstinate apostates at death and judgment, when the Judge will discover a fiery indignation against them, which will devour the adversaries; they will be consigned to the devouring fire and to everlasting burnings. Of this destruction God gives some notorious sinners, while on earth, a fearful foreboding in their own consciences, a dreadful looking for it, with a despair of ever being able either to endure or escape it.

3. From the methods of divine justice with those who despised Moses’s law, that is, sinned presumptuously, despising his authority, his threatenings and his power. These, when convicted by two or three witnesses, were put to death; they died without mercy, a temporal death. Observe, Wise governors should be careful to keep up the credit of their government and the authority of the laws, by punishing presumptuous offenders; but then in such cases there should be good evidence of the fact. Thus God ordained in Moses’s law; and hence the apostle infers the heavy doom that will fall upon those that apostatize from Christ. Here he refers to their own consciences, to judge how much sorer punishment the despisers of Christ (after they have professed to know him) are likely to undergo; and they may judge of the greatness of the punishment by the greatness of the sin.

(1.) They have trodden under foot the Son of God. To trample upon an ordinary person shows intolerable insolence; to treat a person of honour in that vile manner is insufferable; but to deal thus with the Son of God, who himself is God, must be the highest provocation—to trample upon his person, denying him to be the Messiah—to trample upon his authority, and undermine his kingdom—to trample upon his members as the offscouring of all things, and not fit to live in the world; what punishment can be too great for such men?

(2.) They have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing; that is, the blood of Christ, with which the covenant was purchased and sealed, and wherewith Christ himself was consecrated, or wherewith the apostate was sanctified, that is, baptized, visibly initiated into the new covenant by baptism, and admitted to the Lord’s supper. Observe, There is a kind of sanctification which persons may partake of and yet fall away: they may be distinguished by common gifts and graces, by an outward profession, by a form of godliness, a course of duties, and a set of privileges, and yet fall away finally. Men who have seemed before to have the blood of Christ in high esteem may come to account it an unholy thing, no better than the blood of a malefactor, though it was the world’s ransom, and every drop of it of infinite value.

(3.) Those have done despite unto the Spirit of grace, the Spirit that is graciously given to men, and that works grace wherever it is,—the Spirit of grace, that should be regarded and attended to with the greatest care,—this Spirit they have grieved, resisted, quenched, yea, done despite to him, which is the highest act of wickedness, and makes the case of the sinner desperate, refusing to have the gospel salvation applied to him. Now he leaves it to the consciences of all, appeals to universal reason and equity, whether such aggravated crimes ought not to receive a suitable punishment, a sorer punishment than those who had died without mercy? But what punishment can be sorer than to die without mercy? I answer, To die by mercy, by the mercy and grace which they have despised. How dreadful is the case when not only the justice of God, but his abused grace and mercy call for vengeance!​

 

[His Child]

Responce to Chad

Chad,

So, if a sinner is repentant after receiving Salvation, then he or she DOES have GOD's grace (which of course is forgiveness in Christ).

Well I'm sorry Chad that we can't find agreement with each other one this important issue, as the scriptures clearly say there will be no forgiveness but rather judgment.

I choose to keep following what the Holy Spirit is telling me.

In "my opinion" that kind of teaching encourages people to sin by thinking it's OK to continue to sin, and whenever as they choose, just as long as they are repentant afterwards. Some might then think "I will go out and sin, and have a little fun for awhile, then I will repent on Sunday, or whenever".

What if a Christian goes out and willfully sins for days, like adultery or something else bad, then they die before they get the chance to repent?

How About somebody takes the Mark of the Beast and uses it for awhile to buy and sell everything they possibly can to stock up for survival reasons, then they decide to repent?, or they suddenly decide to repent because they see or hear about Christ returning?.

I also believe that our willful sinning can greatly effect other peoples lives, and for unknown years to come, from generation to generation, and it might even lead them into sin, or hatred, or even revenge type murder.

I hope you can see my point, and I do not believe I have been sharing anything falsely.

 

[Chad]

Chad,



Well I'm sorry Chad that we can't find agreement with each other one this important issue, as the scriptures clearly say there will be no forgiveness but rather judgment.

I choose to keep following what the Holy Spirit is telling me.

In "my opinion" that kind of teaching encourages people to sin by thinking it's OK to continue to sin, and whenever as they choose, just as long as they are repentant afterwards. Some might then think "I will go out and sin, and have a little fun for awhile, then I will repent on Sunday, or whenever".

What if a Christian goes out and willfully sins for days, like adultery or something else bad, then they die before they get the chance to repent?

How About somebody takes the Mark of the Beast and uses it for awhile to buy and sell everything they possibly can to stock up for survival reasons, then they decide to repent?, or they suddenly decide to repent because they see or hear about Christ returning?.

I also believe that our willful sinning can greatly effect other peoples lives, and for unknown years to come, from generation to generation, and it might even lead them into sin, or hatred, or even revenge type murder.

I hope you can see my point, and I do not believe I have been sharing anything falsely.

No forgiveness? So your basically saying a born again who sins (willfully, the only possible way to sin) receives no forgiveness but judgment. Judgment with no forgiveness = eternal damnation. Hell!

Your telling us this. That's how your wording it.

You are wrong. I wish you the best in living your life under condemnation, misunderstanding Scripture, taking it out of context and deceiving others. Yet you claim to listen only to the Holy Spirit? I think your not at all. Everyone here disagrees with your personal views and opinions. What does that tell you? Are we all deceived or will you humbly admit you just might be wrong about born again sinners going to hell (based on being judged instead of receiving forgiveness as you claim).

Well, enjoy yourself as you wish. I and others will not settle for your views of condemnation. Instead, I choose to appreciate and regard GOD's grace for ALL SINS found solely in Jesus Christ, our Savior.

Its a shame that you even think your getting your views from the Holy Spirit. You've take the quoted Scripture way out of context and everyone here has refuted your views.

 

[His Child]

To Chad

Blessings Chad,

I never said anything about Judgment with eternal damnation Hell for all that sin after becoming born again. You misunderstand me if that's what you think.

I did quote two scriptures that shows of many types of sinners that will not be saved, and either because they didn't repent or maybe they died before they had a chance too, but that doesn't apply to everbody who sins after becoming born again, but it may apply to some.

My last two posts clearly show that I believe that Yahweh will judge us accordingly on judgement day, and that He decides if and how much mercy He will give to each of us, and I said a mulititude of sins can be forgiven if we love one another according to (1Pet 4:8).

So I'm saying that we should not sin, and we should do our best for serving Yahweh's will, and we should Love one another.

I hope that straightens everything up.

His Child

 

[Chad]

Blessings Chad,

I never said anything about Judgment with eternal damnation Hell for all that sin after becoming born again. You misunderstand me if that's what you think.

I did quote two scriptures that shows of many types of sinners that will not be saved, and either because they didn't repent or maybe they died before they had a chance too, but that doesn't apply to everbody who sins after becoming born again, but it may apply to some.

My last two posts clearly show that I believe that Yahweh will judge us accordingly on judgement day, and that He decides if and how much mercy He will give to each of us, and I said a mulititude of sins can be forgiven if we love one another according to (1Pet 4:8).

So I'm saying that we should not sin, and we should do our best for serving Yahweh's will, and we should Love one another.

I hope that straightens everything up.

His Child

Thank you for trying to clear up your point, but you still contradict yourself. You already said this:

the scriptures clearly say there will be no forgiveness but rather judgment.

So how would GOD decide how much mercy to give a sinner saved if the only options are heaven or hell? If you went to hell, that's no mercy. If you went to heaven, that's 100% mercy. Really, its not so hard to understand.

Honestly, you've really gone far off in your views. Read your own posts carefully.