The Sabbath

[Cody]

Once we're born again, we have a new heart.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." KJV

Real Born Again believers won't have the attitude that they're going to sin, sin and sin and still be alright. You know why? Because they truly believe in God and they fear Him. Believers will sin and it will be willfully, but our Loving Father will lead us back. We will be convicted by the Holy Spirit. Our Father will chastise us and do whatever it takes to get us back in His will.

Hebrews 12:6
"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." KJV

..and if you're not being chastised, you're not saved and you better be doing some humble praying.

Our God is a powerful God and He knows His real sheep. There isn't any fakes fooling Him. He is the judge, not us.

John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." KJV

Repent is a command and to do good works is a command. I believe we have all sinned and didn't know it was a sin. I'm sure we've sinned after we got saved and didn't repent. We need to realize that the Blood of Christ is the thing that purifies us, not works. I believe we will have to give an account for the sins we did not repent of on earth.

The Mark of the Beast is after the rapture. All the believers are raptured up before then.

God Bless

 

[His Child]

To Chad

Hi Chad,

The Word of Yahweh says that, they are not my teachings..

Yahweh's Word says: Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Now this scripture suggests the judgement will be pretty harsh for some -->

2 Pet 2:21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

So how would GOD decide how much mercy to give a sinner saved if the only options are heaven or hell?

I shared (1Pet 4:8) about loving one another that says will cover a multitude of sins, so that might be applicable.

Below is another scripture that will apply as far as how some will be judged, but these three scriptures need to be understood first.

#1 Yahshua is the Word of Yahweh (John 1:1, John 1:14, Rev 19:13) Therefore if somebody denies him, they are deniying the Word of Yahweh.

#2 The things that Yahshua taught were not his own teachings ---> (John 7:16 Yahshua answered them, and said, My teachings are not mine, but are His that sent me.

#3 The living Word that Yahshua taught was the Father in Him ---> John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but is the Father that dwells in me, He does the works.

Now this scripture will apply to some on Judgement day

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Therefore it's very clear who the final Judge is, and how some judgement matters will be handeld according to the Word. I don't know how Yahweh will decide everything, and that's completely up to Him on Judgement day.

It's seems that we will be judged based on the Word of Yahweh that we received, and if we deny any part by not living accordingly to him, then the same we received will be our judge. Very important to also read (Mat 24:14 & 1Pet 4:6)

Now all that is backed by the next scripture: -->

2Pet 2:21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Why? Because Yahweh is a spirit (John 4:24) and Yahshua was showing us His Father within him the entire time (John 14:10, John 6:63).

Yahweh is the Father, the Spirit, the Power, the Love, the Righteousness and the everlasting life "SALVATION" that is in Yahshua, and we come to Yahweh through Yahshua "the Word of Yahweh". Yahshua means: Yahweh is Salvation.

If you went to hell, that's no mercy. If you went to heaven, that's 100% mercy. Really, its not so hard to understand.

I believe there may be much more to that than meets the eye. The Bible does show that many will not be saved, and that few will enter into everlasting life (Mat 7:14). And it also shows various rewards for those who do enter. This is only one scripture confirming that --->

(Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.)


His Child

 

[cb6mustang5]

I'm going back to the original topic that I had posted, The Sabbath Day from the ten commandments, which have been changed by the papal authority.

In the Revelation of Jesus Christ in chapter 14 verse 12

12* Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I completely agree that we need to have complete faith in Jesus, but we also need to keep his commands that were writtin in stone by his Finger.

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

We need to follow our Lord and keep all the commandments. No where in the Bible that I have found does Jesus say that His Laws are to be done away with.

Matthew 5:19

"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heeaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


I love the Lord with all my heart and I want to follow His teachings and commanments to the fullest. Why has the world forsaken the only writings from Gods hand alone, and says that they no longer matter?

Love Chris
God Bless

 

[stephen]

Sabbath


It is often claimed that "God instituted the Sabbath in Eden" because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: "And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine'" (Exodus 19:3–5).

"Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed" (Exodus 31:16–17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the ten commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel:
"And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day" (Deuteronomy 5:15).

Notice the word therefore. God's intent for giving the Sabbath to Israel was not that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord's deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping:

A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14).

A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32–35).

An examination of New Testament passages shows us four important points:
1) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26).
2) The only time the Sabbath is mentioned from Acts through Revelation it is for evangelistic purposes to the Jews and the setting is usually in a synagogue (Acts chapters 13–18). Paul wrote, "to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews" (1 Corinthians 9:20). Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost.
3) Once Paul states "from now on I will go to the Gentiles" (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned.
And 4) instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the one exception to point 3 above, found in Colossians 2:16).


Looking more closely at point 4 above will reveal that there is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath, and will also show that the idea of a Sunday "Christian Sabbath" is also unscriptural. As discussed above, there is one time the Sabbath is mentioned after Paul began to focus on the Gentiles, "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Colossians 2:16–17). The Jewish Sabbath was abolished at the cross where Christ "wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us" (Colossians 2:14).


This idea is repeated more than once in the New Testament: "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it" (Romans 14:5–6a).

"But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years" (Galatians 4:9–10).

But some claim that a mandate by Constantine in A.D. 321 "changed" the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. On what day did the early church meet for worship? Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship.

However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that "on the first day of the week the disciples came together to break bread." In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers "on the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper."

Since Paul designates this offering as "service" in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday.

The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath—resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ—serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind" (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

xDICEx

 

[His Child]

Sabbath day good news

Peace,

I see so many people now days comming up with all kinds of excuses why they think they don't have to do this or that.

We shouldn't be searching for reasons not to do the will of Yahweh, or why we don't have to. What ever happened to desire to want to do?, and the desire to keep searching for more to do unto righteousness and for serving our Heavenly Father.

There is no evidence in scripture that the Heavenly Father wanted to separate the Jews and Gentiles within the body of Messiah.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in the Messiah Yahshua. 29 And if you are the Messiah's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Yahshua was a Jew and we were grafted into him, and we are Abraham's seed. The laws were given to the people of Israel, and both Jews and Gentiles lived in Israel then, and both still do. It's not a land of all Jews.

The Sabbath was made for man (Mr 2:27)

Keeping the Sabbath was clearly still taught and kept way after Yahshua was crucified.

In the "New Testament", the first day of the week is always translated "first day of the week" and the seventh day of the week is always called "the Sabbath".

Acts 13:42 - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 15:21 - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:16 - And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Acts 16:13 - And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4 - And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

So it is very clear which day is the Sabbath, and it's been a way of life for the Church ever since, however the Roman Church did change it to Sunday many years ago.

Revelation 22:14 - Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We are to walk as Yahshua walked.

His Child

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Peace Chad,

I will share with you what I believe the scriptures are saying, and will quote them for you to see if they back up what I believe.


Yahshua taught: Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men.

We can see above there is no grace for that.

His Child:

You have taken the Matthew 12:31 quote entirely out of context by failing to connect it with the scenario of Matthew 12:22-37 in which Jesus is accused by the Pharisees of casting out demons in the name of Beelzebub (Satan). In other words, they (the Pharisees) were giving the devil credit for the works of the Holy Spirit.

So, the one truly unforgiveable sin - Blasphemy against The Holy Spirit - is correctly defined as consistently and intentionally giving Satan credit for the works of the Holy Spirit; nothing more, nothing less.

SLE

 

[His Child]

Peace SpiritLedEd

Peace SpiritLedEd,

Nothing more nothing less? There is much more

Depending on what Bible you read, the word blasphemy is mentioned several times throughout the Bible. Sometimes it's spelled Blaspheme.

Yahweh is a spirit, and blasphemy against the Holy spirit of Yahweh consists of: Slandering , detraction, speech injurious to His divine majesty or His name. Impious and reproach, evil speaking and/or teaching against Him or His name. To defy, insult, taunt, railing against, abusive language against Him or His name.

There are many more scriptures that show what blasphemy is against the Holy Spirit of Yahweh (Ps 74:10, Re 13:6, Mr 3:29, James 2:7, 2Sa 12:14, Isa 37:4)

The man of sin will also blasphemy against Yahweh and His Holy name in the end.


His Child

 

[Faithful Son]

There is nothing more and nothing less.

His Child, you have no time for correction, you stand by what you believe in and go out of your way to assure everyone you are right and they are wrong.

You don't read in context and take one verse and attach your own understanding to it. The Bible isn't a couple of verses here and there, it's a book, with context and meaning.

Brother SLE is way older than you, and more experienced. He has walked the Christian faith for longer than you would think of it being possible.

Stop trying to impose your beliefs on other people, the Bible exhorts us to edify and support each other, all you do is make people uncomfortable.

You effectively ignored my last post to you a few pages back, which also shows me you have no respect for other people.

Blashpemy against the Holy Spirit is saying that the Work of the Spirit was done by satan, consistently and without worrying about it, like brother SLE explained, because He read the previous verses as well.'

 

[Word of Life]

There are a couple of threads here, that may shed some more light to the unforgiveable sin.

http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/2977-unforgivable-sin.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-answers/14619-blasphemy-holy-spirit.html

 

[jiggyfly]

Peace,

I see so many people now days comming up with all kinds of excuses why they think they don't have to do this or that.

We shouldn't be searching for reasons not to do the will of Yahweh, or why we don't have to. What ever happened to desire to want to do?, and the desire to keep searching for more to do unto righteousness and for serving our Heavenly Father.

There is no evidence in scripture that the Heavenly Father wanted to separate the Jews and Gentiles within the body of Messiah.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in the Messiah Yahshua. 29 And if you are the Messiah's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Yahshua was a Jew and we were grafted into him, and we are Abraham's seed. The laws were given to the people of Israel, and both Jews and Gentiles lived in Israel then, and both still do. It's not a land of all Jews.

The Sabbath was made for man (Mr 2:27)

Keeping the Sabbath was clearly still taught and kept way after Yahshua was crucified.

In the "New Testament", the first day of the week is always translated "first day of the week" and the seventh day of the week is always called "the Sabbath".

Acts 13:42 - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 15:21 - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:16 - And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Acts 16:13 - And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4 - And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

So it is very clear which day is the Sabbath, and it's been a way of life for the Church ever since, however the Roman Church did change it to Sunday many years ago.

Revelation 22:14 - Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We are to walk as Yahshua walked.

His Child

This is exactly the purpose of this thread, to find out what is Father's will for us now under a new and better covenant and I believe that the scriptures are quite clear in directing us to follow HolySpirit and not old covenant practices. Read the scriptures chronologically and you will see Father showing exactly what His will is. It is now no longer the observance of old covenant practices, feasts, or holy days. Actually it is impossible to keep, obey or observe any of the old covenant practices scripturally as a new covenant participant without compromise. Yes this includes tithing, keeping the sabbath holy, offerings and sacrifices, temple worship, observing feasts, ceremonies and holy days, circumcision, grooming practices and so on. I suggest that one reads who they have become under the new covenant in Christ Jesus and clearly understand it and then go and study the old covenant and find out for yourself.

Jesus told the woman at the well that worshipping God from their mountain and in the temple at Jerusalem were being replaced and would no longer be acceptable to God, because He desires to be worshipped in Spirit and Truth. This is also a good study each represents an age and type of worship in Israel's history. It's all about Jesus and this may shock some sabbath keepers but it has always been about Jesus and it will always be about Jesus. Father has clearly expressed this in the fulfillment of the old covenant by Christ and HolySpirit witnesses to this continually. Father was satisfied concerning the old covenant agreement and it has been filed away. To go back and participate in an old satisfied and fulfilled contract is really a slap in the face to the Son of God.

I know that I may be using some harsh words to express this but it seems necessary to get the point accross and reason for having a new and better covenant, which by the way has been God's plan all along.

 

[His Child]

Peace everybody

Peace everybody,

In responce to all posts addressing concerns regarding the sharings I have posted, I don't mean to offend anybody here. I come to lead others to Yahshua whom is my teacher and master, and to share the Holy Word my Father Yahweh has shown me through him. I have also read many great posts here and have learned through them.

If anyones feels offened by what I have posted here, then you should pray to the Heavenly Father to reveal His truths to you by His spirit, and keep everything in His hands.

Other than that, I'm sure you can find many other Christian websites sharing most of the same things that I have posted here.

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

May Yahweh have mercy on us all

His Child

 

[Chad]

Peace everybody,

In responce to all posts addressing concerns regarding the sharings I have posted, I don't mean to offend anybody here. I come to lead others to Yahshua whom is my teacher and master, and to share the Holy Word my Father Yahweh has shown me through him. I have also read many great posts here and have learned through them.

You refuted just about everyone's response.

If anyones feels offened by what I have posted here, then you should pray to the Heavenly Father to reveal His truths to you by His spirit, and keep everything in His hands.

Your comment is just like saying "your all wrong, pray on it for proof that I'm right"

Other than that, I'm sure you can find many other Christian websites sharing most of the same things that I have posted here.

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

May Yahweh have mercy on us all

His Child

What would it matter what websites say and who are you that we should heed to your own teachings? So will we get proof that your teaching is right just because other websites teach the same?

You express an obvious pride and your worded humility shows no sincerity whatsoever.

Your not welcomed to post to this thread any longer. Let's see how humble you are now.

 

[lettheredeemed]

Peace lettheredeemed





Yahshua is my teacher and the eternal Living Word. He never leaves, but many walk away from him by not obeying what he taught. Then at the end will be judgement.

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1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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Once saved always saved is a lie. The ones who fall away from the faith will be broken off (Rom 11:20, Mat 3:29, mat 12:33 )

2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yahshua Messiah, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandments delivered unto them

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Grace is for past sins, and we are not to sin after becoming born again:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto Yahweh, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve Yahweh?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

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Faith without works is dead (James 2:18-26) & (Rom 3:27-31) Do we then make the law void through our faith? Yahweh forbid: Yes we shall keep the law.

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There is much we must do to get and keep saved "Love Yahweh and do His will (Mat 22:36-37), Become Born Again (John 3:7), Stop sinning (Rev 21:8), Don't take the Mark of the beast, or worship it's image (Rev 19:20) and more".

Yahshua clearly said many will fall away from the faith in the last days (Mat 24:10, 1Tim 4:1).

The ones he will reject are the law breakers (Mat 7:21-23) and those people actually thought they would be saved.

Here is Yahshua quoting Deut 8:3 > (Luke 4:4 And Yahshua answered unto him, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of Yahweh.

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I won't take the mark, and I don't fear men that can kill my body. I already died and am alive in Yahshua.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Follow after Yahshua the true teacher, and trust ONLY IN HIM unto Salvation. Stay on the one way path with him unto the end, and don't let anybody leed you astray.

Peace to you all on this Sabbath in Yahshua's name.

HalleluYah (Praise Yahweh)

If you say that if we walk away that we are no longer saved then you are trusting in yourself for your salvation and not the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
All scripture is written for us but not to us. The Holy Spirit guides us as we rightly divide the word of truth. Some of the scriptures that you have cited are taken out of the context. May God help us to humbly rely on Him to guide us.
For instance it is great benefit to us to know the historical background of the Bible. In the same manner God has taught us to rightly divide scripture. Taking texts out of context and twisting scripture is not rightly dividing. We are held accountable to study the scriptures.

Why the Church Will Not Go Through the Great Tribulation Mat. 24:21


1. The Church is not found anywhere on earth in Revelation chapters 6 through 19.
2. The Church is waiting for the Lord, not for the Tribulation - I Thes. 1:10
3. The Church is not appointed unto wrath - I Thes. 5:9; 1:10
4. The Church, consisting of Spirit-filled believers, must be removed before the Antichrist can be revealed - II Thes. 2:1-11
5. The Tribulation is a Jewish time known as Daniel's seventieth "week" (Dan. 9:24-26), and the "time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7)
6. The Church returns from Heaven with Christ at the end of the Tribulation - Rev. 19:11; Jude 14

 

[lettheredeemed]

There is nothing more and nothing less.

His Child, you have no time for correction, you stand by what you believe in and go out of your way to assure everyone you are right and they are wrong.

You don't read in context and take one verse and attach your own understanding to it. The Bible isn't a couple of verses here and there, it's a book, with context and meaning.

Brother SLE is way older than you, and more experienced. He has walked the Christian faith for longer than you would think of it being possible.

Stop trying to impose your beliefs on other people, the Bible exhorts us to edify and support each other, all you do is make people uncomfortable.

You effectively ignored my last post to you a few pages back, which also shows me you have no respect for other people.

Blashpemy against the Holy Spirit is saying that the Work of the Spirit was done by satan, consistently and without worrying about it, like brother SLE explained, because He read the previous verses as well.'

Didn't the religious leaders accuse Jesus of performing miracles by the power of Beelzebub? Matt 12.

2Ki 19:3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day [is] a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and [there is] not strength to bring forth.
Isa 37:3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day [is] a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and [there is] not strength to bring forth.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 14:64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

[lettheredeemed]

There is nothing more and nothing less.

His Child, you have no time for correction, you stand by what you believe in and go out of your way to assure everyone you are right and they are wrong.

You don't read in context and take one verse and attach your own understanding to it. The Bible isn't a couple of verses here and there, it's a book, with context and meaning.

Brother SLE is way older than you, and more experienced. He has walked the Christian faith for longer than you would think of it being possible.

Stop trying to impose your beliefs on other people, the Bible exhorts us to edify and support each other, all you do is make people uncomfortable.

You effectively ignored my last post to you a few pages back, which also shows me you have no respect for other people.

Blashpemy against the Holy Spirit is saying that the Work of the Spirit was done by satan, consistently and without worrying about it, like brother SLE explained, because He read the previous verses as well.'

Didn't the religious leaders accuse Jesus of performing miracles by the power of Beelzebub? Matt 12.

Here is every verse on blasphemy from the scripture.
This will help you study it out for yourselves.

2Ki 19:3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day [is] a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and [there is] not strength to bring forth.
Isa 37:3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day [is] a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and [there is] not strength to bring forth.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 14:64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

[Word of Life]

If you say that if we walk away that we are no longer saved then you are trusting in yourself for your salvation and not the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit guides us as we rightly divide the word of truth. Some of the scriptures that you have cited are taken out of the context. May God help us to humbly rely on Him to guide us.

I don't think he is saying that at all. So let's learn from each other with love.

I will try to explain.

Jesus died for all our sins to show us a far and better way. Because the old way was not working out too well and people were still in sin. The whole purpose of the bible, is to walk away from sin (darkness), God hates sin. In the old testament, people were really struggling with sin (darkness), and God knew this, but He loved us so much, that He sent His son to us, to show us a far better and better way to overcome sin, through His son.

Before Jesus died he promised us the comforter to guide and help us to walk away from sin. It's the power of the holy spirit that is freeing us from sin, it's not me, it's not man, nor is it my neighbour or my mother, so where does that power come from?

It comes from God, through our Lord Jesus Christ. So who is saving us?

So, one is not saving himself, it's God saving us through Jesus through His power (Holy Spirit). So one only needs to learn to just walk in His Power (Holy Spirit), through Jesus, by becoming more like His son, walk as Jesus walked, do as Jesus did, draw near to God, through Jesus, and drink that same cup that Jesus drank from. It's there for everyone to drink from, who has excepted Jesus as his saviour. (Rom 10:9)

Most people have walked away from God's power. They have all the Christian love and kindness, after they have excepted Jesus as there saviour, but they are not drawing and drinking from that cup.

Mar 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

So walk in the power of the holy spirit and drink from that same cup Jesus drank from. Jesus said we can. When you drink from that cup, you will walk in that power. The power is there for all of us.

God told us this would happen in scripture.

2Pe 1:3 God's divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness. This power was given to us through knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and integrity.

So do not deny the power.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

People can choose, but we can't do both.

1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

One is not going to overcome sin, if one does not walk as Jesus walked and draw and drink from that same cup, he drank from.

Jesus drank from that cup, and became more like His Father, we drink from that same cup, through Jesus, and we become more like His son (Jesus). We become Christlike, and then we become children of God.

If people put their full trust in God alone in every aspect of their lives, instead of man and drink from that same cup, He will show you what real love is. Love that I cannot explain.

He will help us with all our faults, sins and He doesn't rush, He will work with you, and guide you and teach you, to become more godly and holy, how we should have been, before satan started poisoning us.

All the glory and thanks goes to God, my Father through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Cody]

If you say that if we walk away that we are no longer saved then you are trusting in yourself for your salvation and not the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit guides us as we rightly divide the word of truth. Some of the scriptures that you have cited are taken out of the context. May God help us to humbly rely on Him to guide us.

Amen, Amen, Amen.

It's all about God.

 

[lettheredeemed]

A person who sins after receiving salvation in Christ can indeed by forgiven. Its ludicrious to claim otherwise. Its one thing to sincerely repent, its another thing to die an unrepented sinner who lived a sinful lifestyle without any concern. Two different worlds.

Be careful what you preach.

That is teaching that a person can lose their salvation which is not Biblical. We lose fellowship(we grieve the Holy Spirit by which we are sealed) but we do not lose our salvation. We ask forgiveness because we have taken His grace for granted and have grieved Him.Salvation is a gift. It was purchased for us by the blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary. Even the OT teaches that salvation is forever. This is not a false teaching. It is entirely biblical.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[rizen1]

Can "onced" Saved Christians who become pedophiles, prostitutes and murders all sleep well tonight, if they die tomorrow unrepentive ?
( Please dont say a saved person can never fall, the bible says non is righteous )
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one

Praise God for his love and mercy, for he is the final judge.

Salvation is free to everyone it doesnt matter where you are in your life, God is willing and able to forgive IF we seek him honestly with a repentive heart.

I buy gifts for people all the time, and it would hurt me to know, they misused it, abused it or even put it far in their basements. Salvation is a gift what you do with it...would matter.
The gift of salvation is Forever you are right.

God blessed us with this gift, we try to define it, work around it sometimes abusing and misusing it.
God knows his sheep, and they hear his voice.

God is the final Judge

John 10:27
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

 

[lettheredeemed]

Can "onced" Saved Christians who become pedophiles, prostitutes and murders all sleep well tonight, if they die tomorrow unrepentive ?
( Please dont say a saved person can never fall, the bible says non is righteous )
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one

Praise God for his love and mercy, for he is the final judge.

Salvation is free to everyone it doesnt matter where you are in your life, God is willing and able to forgive IF we seek him honestly with a repentive heart.

I buy gifts for people all the time, and it would hurt me to know, they misused it, abused it or even put it far in their basements. Salvation is a gift what you do with it...would matter.
The gift of salvation is Forever you are right.

God blessed us with this gift, we try to define it, work around it sometimes abusing and misusing it.
God knows his sheep, and they hear his voice.

God is the final Judge

John 10:27
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

All sin sent the Savior to the cross. Do you think your sins are less grievous to God than theirs? God is holy your what you consider to be small compared to the pedofile or the rapist ect were why Jesus had to died. God said that we murder when we gossip about our neighbor. Have you ever gossiped?
The ground is level at the cross. May God help us all to humbly see ourselves as we really are. It was the blood of Christ that cleanses and not what we do. When we claim that salvation is dependant on what we do we are glorifying the flesh instead of the Savior.


Eph 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.