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Ah dude.... C'mon...
That is NOT a translation... a paraphrase at best. (Your own?)
Thanks,
Rhema
PS: And please note I didn't say it was a bad paraphrase.... (maybe I should).
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What if you die tonight?
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That is NOT a translation... a paraphrase at best. (Your own?)
Thanks,
Rhema
PS: And please note I didn't say it was a bad paraphrase.... (maybe I should).
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And please, knock it off with the threats.
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And just what the heck do you think a "one true personal proper name" signifies if not the exact Person or personality of the Person?
Jesus was not a flesh puppet inhabited solely by YAHWEH - a claim that is PURE Modalist.
Rhema
I know. I was just pointing out that a converse exists.
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Hi Nick, I recall a similar if not an exact post like this months ago, but don't have the time to track it down and "fact check".
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Terms left undefined, having no scriptural attribution are unfounded opinion - plain and simple. (Sometimes called vain imaginings.)
Yeah... again, the Baptist Definitional Framework has not been kind to you. Repentance is not "being sorry." But ask yourself, why would one ask for forgiveness if one wasn't sorry ??
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
(Matthew 4:17 KJV)
Was Jesus wrong?
Now.... COULD YOU POSSIBLY, ACTUALLY, ADDRESS A QUESTION I ASKED AND BE RESPECTFUL ENOUGH TO GIVE AN ANSWER ???
Allow me to repeat .....
Sue, you say things that truly perplex me.
Let's look at this statement by Paul :
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
So then Paul preached a gospel unto salvation. Yes?
Yet you've also said that Jesus himself did not preach a gospel unto salvation. (I can find your exact quote if need be.)
So ... does this mean that Paul preached a different gospel than Jesus ?? (And I'm actually asking a question.)
Kindly,
Rhema
PS: By way of background @Sue D. there ARE Christians who believe that the Gospel Paul preached was different than the Gospel that Jesus preached. These are called Acts 27 Christians or hyper-dispensationalists. Had you known of this?
I would offer. Faith is the power of Christ labor of love .
By or through provides no difference .The focus is on the word Faith . Saved by God's work of faith which is also said as labor of love. Altogether one in the same.
Note. . . . (purple) my added opinion or personal comment
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and (with) labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father
Faith is the work of God (let there be and it was good ) that works in us to both reveal the will and secondly empower a person to do it to His good pleasure. Its not us accepting him but him giving power to the powerless.
The word faith could be translated "labor of love" anytime the word faith is written.
The confession of the tongue is that we can offer towards him is a result of His labor of love working in us. We are his masterpiece .He is not a work of our imagination As in all things he must do the first works. "Let there be "
He protects the integrity of His word. I believe it is why the opening loving commandment in James he warns us of blasphemy accrediting the Christ' labor of love . . to the things seen dying fallen mankind
James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Again I emphasize it is not just a good suggestion but a law a commandment (have not) It protects us from a law of men (oral traditons) or called a law of the father venerable men that lord it over the understanding or faith of the non venerable
The conclusion to the Loving commandment
James 27 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
I think it could be paraphrased by exchanging the word faith for labor
James 2:1 My brethren, have not the labor of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Following the same reasoning that faith is a Labor of Christ's love
James 2:22-24 Seest thou how faith (labor of Christ's love) wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it (Christ labor of love )was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works (Christ labor of love ) a man is justified, and not by faith only.
If faith could be alone "let there be " and no labor of love . . . nothing appears. Nothing changes nothing.
Some yoked with him do it with delight other murmur . God is not served by human will as if he needed anything from the clay he form Christ in he empower us to confess.
Philippians 2: 13-14For it is (not perhaps) God (Not one own will) which worketh in you (not from you) both to will (let there be) and to do of his good pleasure.(and it was good) Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
One last example of Christ' labor of love working in the heart of new born again creatures
Hebrews 11:1-4 King James Version Now faith (Christ's ) is the substance of things (Christ) hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders obtained a good report. (only God is good) Through faith (Christ's labor of love) we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, (let there be) so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel ( Abel's confession of the work of Christ labor ) offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which(Christ working in him) he (Abel) obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: (Christ's or labor of love) and by it (Christ's or labor of love) he being dead yet speaketh (to our new hearts)
Rhema. I'm a Baptist by choice. Also gone to Bible college. The Baptist church hasn't 'done anything to me' except given me a good foundation in Bible.
@Rhema -- regarding omni-all
So we have Omni potent - all powerful. Then omniscient - all knowledge and omni -present.
Describing God. - attributes.
Sometimes a person is 'sorry' they got caught ,but not sorry about what they did.
Repent means that a person agrees with God that what he did was wrong and acknowledges their need to stop doing that thing and change to do something better. With the help of the Holy Spirit.
So we have Omni potent - all powerful. Then omniscient - all knowledge and omni -present.
Describing God. - attributes.
Sometimes a person is 'sorry' they got caught ,but not sorry about what they did.
Repent means that a person agrees with God that what he did was wrong and acknowledges their need to stop doing that thing and change to do something better. With the help of the Holy Spirit.
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Now if I die tonight no matter what side I will be on I think, it will be a awakening. Beyond my expectations.
Either a will be devastated or “Glorified”. Both will be beyond than what my mortal mind can conceive while on earth and Clothe in this Corruption.
Either a will be devastated or “Glorified”. Both will be beyond than what my mortal mind can conceive while on earth and Clothe in this Corruption.
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That'd be O.K. I didn't want to go to work tomorrow anyway.
So you'd wake up either in heaven or hell. You Do know how to be able to have the new glorified body or end up in Hades / Sheol.
But if you'd wake up in that very negative place - you might wish you Could go to work. Just saying.
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None of which is written in your Bible. Just more fantasy stories from your Sunday school - Your (collectively plural) personal myths about God that are imposed upon the Bible. All opinions.
People make bad choices all the time.
People make bad choices all the time.
How would you know? From what I've read, you haven't enough background to even make a "choice" to be Baptist. It's your parents' church within which you grew up, is it not? You obviously don't know anything about other Faiths, nor even Acts 27 Christians. What I've said before is that your experience is insular, inside the little-bubble. You certainly haven't shown any adequate knowledge of church history. This puzzles me, especially if you went to "Bible College." But you seem happy with a tea and crumpets Christianity. I was not.
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(Again....)
COULD YOU POSSIBLY, ACTUALLY, ADDRESS A QUESTION I ASKED AND BE RESPECTFUL ENOUGH TO GIVE AN ANSWER ???
Allow me to repeat .....
Sue, you say things that truly perplex me.
Let's look at this statement by Paul :
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
So then Paul preached a gospel unto salvation. Yes?
Yet you've also said that Jesus himself did not preach a gospel unto salvation, and one can only presume that you were taught this in Bible College. (I can find your exact quote if need be.)
So ... does this mean that you believe that Paul preached a different gospel than Jesus ?? (And I'm actually asking a question.)
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Yah, I deserve that! I have not been reading Greek for almost a year, and you know what happens when you stop reading it... I take the hit.
No, because in my mind it has been demonstrated to be jacked up through the latin, so I don't bother. I did a study on the different texts a number of years ago to ascertain which one is the most accurate, which is what lead me to the Westcott-Hort Greek NT. The TR has been demonstrated over the last 500 years to be riddled with errors, so (again) I have really nothing to do with it.
PS: We once talked about the BDAG. I'd wholeheartedly recommend the new Cambridge.
Cambridge Greek Lexicon - Wikipedia
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Interesting...something new! I will have to check it out.
Getting back to the text at hand, the context still gives a more accurate meaning to dia as "through" rather than "by" when we take the whole enchilada into consideration. No one gets saved "by" faith, if that was the case, then the calvinists would be right when they say that all you need to do in order to get saved is to believe in Christ. However, Scripture as a whole completely denounces that nonsense. No one gets saved just because they believe, that is false doctrine.
That, as we have talked about before, is the difference between taking a word strictly by a dictionary definition against semantics and intents, which is why I prefer a thought-for-thought rendering rather than a word-for-word rendering. As you well know, a strict word-for-word rendering that ignores the grammar and its effects upon a text will always be wrong to one degree or another.
Blessings!
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It is neither a paraphrase nor a bad one, it is a thought-for-thought rendering of the Greek. Remember, we are to take in rendering the Greek according to the thought on the subject from the entire Scriptures, not just the one text. That is the basic translation...but if we leave it at that, then we can completely butcher the intended meaning of the text. You don't even do that in your own life, so why in the world would you dogmatically do it with what is truly Life?
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I don't threaten, rhema...I warn. You need to stop with the "higher intellect" nonsense and think according to how Scripture thinks. We are commanded to warn those who are heading toward eternal fire...so that they can correct themselves and get with God's program...or do you belong to one of those apostate churches?
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I think you either misworded that statement, or don't understand what you actually said. Using His personal proper name leaves out any ambiguity...
Nah, I am closer to a modalistic monarchianism...
There is only one God, Yahweh. And for different theological reasons, He manifests Himself to mankind three different ways: as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; but I do hold that Scripture teaches that Christ laid aside certain aspects of His nature while in the form of man, so His humanity in the incarnation did set aside certain of His attributes by His own volition.
Scripture says that Christ always existed in time past, but does not tell us in what form He existed. Some look at Theophanies in the OT and say that they are Christophanies...I say hogwash. The only passage of Scripture in the NT that I can find that talks about Christ appearing in the OT, is I Cor. 10:4, and that is not a Christophany. It was a symbolism.
The name of this thread is. "what if you die tonight".
If a person feels threatened by that questian, maybe it's an indication they need to get thinking more seriously about their eternal destination
Cause once a person is dead it's to late to change their mind.
There's that verse that says "now" is the day of salvation.
If a person feels threatened by that questian, maybe it's an indication they need to get thinking more seriously about their eternal destination
Cause once a person is dead it's to late to change their mind.
There's that verse that says "now" is the day of salvation.
