Dear Atheist

[Diamondlight]

What it comes down to for the religious is their phobia of death.

Oh really!?
If you had studied history or read any of the books written about the martyrs, you really wouldn't be suggesting somethng so sweeping and so shallow.

Wonderful, devoted people who love God gave up their lives because they would not deny him in history and still continue to do so.

Phobia of death indeed, how silly!

 

[JosephSmith]

Oh really!?
If you had studied history or read any of the books written about the martyrs, you really wouldn't be suggesting somethng so sweeping and so shallow.

Wonderful, devoted people who love God gave up their lives because they would not deny him in history and still continue to do so.

Phobia of death indeed, how silly!

By phobia of death I mean a refusal to accept what death really is. The end. Not a new beginning. You've been promised a perfect paradise in Heaven, and it's understandable that you want to hold onto that tight and not just give this up. Also, for someone like my father it would be heartbreaking to accept that he's never going to see his mother again in Heaven, like he's believed he will for years. Like I said before though, reality doesn't care what we desire. The way I look at things is we were all dead for billions of years before we were born and it didn't bother us then, so non-existence again won't be so bad.

I know people have given their lives for God but what does that prove? It shows that their beliefs were probably sincere. I don't question the sincerity of their beliefs. Muslim suicide bombers blow themselves up and others all the time because they believe they are doing the ultimate good in God's name. They believe they are going to paradise and will be rewarded with a bunch of virgins to have endless sex with. This person is willing to sacrifice their life for their god, but you and I both know that this does not in turn make Islam any truer.

 

[Diamondlight]

By phobia of death I mean a refusal to accept what death really is. The end. Not a new beginning. You've been promised a perfect paradise in Heaven, and it's understandable that you want to hold onto that tight and not just give this up.

Next you will be telling me that the "you" in here is not me personally but a collective 'YOU'. It might be easier if you made up your mind exactly what you do mean.

If you did mean me, you have no idea about my beliefs.

Also, for someone like my father it would be heartbreaking to accept that he's never going to see his mother again in Heaven, like he's believed he will for years.

It will be equally heartbreaking for him when you pass on and realise to your horror, that everything in the bible is true and you are now faced with a God of justice, without the covering of love, grace and mercy that Jesus' sacrifice provides.

Like I said before though, reality doesn't care what we desire.

Absolutely it doesn't! The reality of the cross does not depend on whether you choose to accept it or not.

I know people have given their lives for God but what does that prove? ...Muslim suicide bombers blow themselves up and others all the time because they believe they are doing the ultimate good in God's name.....This person is willing to sacrifice their life for their god, but you and I both know that this does not in turn make Islam any truer.

I was not making a case for the validity of Christianity with my comment as well you know. I was simply calling you on the farcical nature of your sweeping generalisation.

 

[Boanerges]

I have kissed death on the lips so many times I should be getting Christmas cards form him, LOL!
Seriously I have had more than a few brushes with death. One notable event was being caught on an electric power line. Not able to let go I after all my efforts I felt my heart slowing down and preparing to stop. I would have been dead that day if not for the mercy of my God in whom some do not believe. That being said I did not have fear as I felt my body shutting down but instead as sense of "I wish I had done more for my Lord in my time here" and the last words I gave before an unexpected deliverance- "Jesus here I come".
No my friends, there is not fear of death in one who walks with the Living God but a knowledge of life.

 

[JosephSmith]

It will be equally heartbreaking for him when you pass on and realise to your horror, that everything in the bible is true and you are now faced with a God of justice, without the covering of love, grace and mercy that Jesus' sacrifice provides.

I'll agree with you that Hell may exist. But how are we to know which religions' hell it is? Maybe it's the Muslim hell or the Hindu hell, and we're both going to it. Maybe it's Zeus' hell. The only way to be completely safe is to worship all of the different gods equally. And there are thousands of them that people believe in.

 

[Chad]

The only way to be completely safe is to worship all of the different gods equally.

Really? How do you know its "safe" to worship all gods equally? Where's your evidence of this?

There are thousands (literally) of evidence to prove the GOD of the Holy Bible is the only living GOD and the Bible is His infallible Living Word. You just have to seek the proof and believe the Truth.

 

[Diamondlight]

'Joseph Smith'

I could engage your questions or i can address you straight. I choose to do the latter.

Psalm 103:5
"Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's"

You are like an eagle, stop scrabbling around pecking at the floor like a chicken.

You are much more than this.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

As a teenager, it sometimes bothered me when Jesus or Christianity were bashed. Religion is an emotional issue. The only reason any of us are religious in the first place is because we've been emotionally persuaded to be religious.

Christianity is an emotional (fear) issue for many because they've never studied the reasons behind the beliefs they claim to support and whenever anyone challenges their thinking, they respond with fear-based anger. I've not yet read your profile, but, I suspect you grew up (as I did) being taught that "Children should be seen and not heard"; one of the most disastrous philosophies of all time, which means that they were never free to question their elders. If that'so, I can understand why you were turned off. Not being able to ask questions breeds anger and not being able to answer your questioners is humiliating, which means you got a double dose of negative influences growing up.

What's true is true, and there's no changing that. You will never find out you were wrong, and I will never find out I was right. None of us will care what happens when we die, because... well, we'll be dead so we won't have the ability to care.

If these things are true what, in your view, is the purpose of life?

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)

 

[JosephSmith]

Really? How do you know its "safe" to worship all gods equally? Where's your evidence of this?

I do not literally think that people should worship multiple gods. The point I was making is that anyone could be wrong. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. We both could be wrong. Just as you warn me that rejecting Christ will land me a spot in hell, a Muslim would warn me that accepting Christ will land me a spot in their religions' hell. You see my problem? How am I to know which hell I'm supposed to be fearing, when both have to be taken on the same principle of faith since neither can be proven?

There are thousands (literally) of evidence to prove the GOD of the Holy Bible is the only living GOD and the Bible is His infallible Living Word. You just have to seek the proof and believe the Truth.

Since God is an all-knowing God, surely he would know what it would take to convince me of the truth. He's chosen not to, so my atheism must be God's will. God sees all in the future, so God knew I was destined for hellfire before I was born. Maybe God's purpose for me is to test yours and others faith.

If these things are true what, in your view, is the purpose of life?

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)

Whatever we want it to be. Perhaps to achieve happiness. To enjoy our time on this world the best we can.

 

[Boanerges]

I do not literally think that people should worship multiple gods. The point I was making is that anyone could be wrong. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. We both could be wrong.

You certainly have the right to be wrong! LOL!
If one has ever met the Living God there is no room for doubt on who is Lord. The rest are but shadows, idols, demons and pretenders. There is none Like the Lord and besides Him there is no God. I have met Him and can testify He is Lord of all.

 

[levipattar]

2 Corinthians 4:3
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

 

[TheEndofCrazy]

Here's my personal letter to all atheists who deny GOD.

Dear Atheist,

Do you think its a coincidence that...

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Here's my reply.

Yes it is true that there is complexity in the world. But that is all we know, and there is no logical or rational reason to jump to the conclusion that there must be a intelligent creator.

Science has provided a lot of the answers about the true nature of all the things you write about, none of them implies a creator is necessary.

You jump to the conclusion than anything that is complex requires a creator, then the Christian god requires a creator. Who created God? He is more complex than the universe, so his complexity requires a creator according to your reasoning.

You claim that God can exist without a creator. Then why can't the universe exist without a creator?

 

[Chad]

Here you go, if you're "understanding"

Evidence & Bible Prophecy - Talk Jesus | Christian Forums
Scriptural Bible Answers - Talk Jesus | Christian Forums
CARM - Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Bible Questions Answered

Seek, you shall find.

 

[Kit Carson]

Well to be honest, no it is not a coincidence and all these things can be explained scientifically using facts and reasearch. I will personally explain every one of these for you if you would like.

Please forgive my sense of humor, but ya know I put some milk and cookies out on the front porch one time trying to catch an alien. I have never caught one.

I love Chads way of reason, it is mine also. I use it all the time. We did not come into being with a big bang and not from a ball of slime either. I am pretty sure I did not crawl from the sea, or any other situation.

I have yet to see science explain creation with any complete knowledge and understanding, it is all assumption , and speculation. There are no facts.

But if you take the time to read Gods word, you will come to realize it is very real. Every word of it.

Kit

 

[Iceman]

oh man...really?

 

[Zendra]

lol, I'll challenge that Kit carson, if you're willing

 

[kyval82]

I was listening to a christain program on the radio a few days ago and they were discussing Athiesm..
The speaker gave to resons why most people declare themselves atheist.
1 reason.. because they live a sinful life, and do not want to believe in God, because then they would feel they were responsible for changing the way they live.

and 2 , because they had a poor relationship with their fathers, so this subconsciencly avoid deep relationships with anyone with an authoritive image..

I just wish that they knew what they were missing out on in our LORD!

 

[TheEndofCrazy]

I was listening to a christain program on the radio a few days ago and they were discussing Athiesm..
The speaker gave to resons why most people declare themselves atheist.
1 reason.. because they live a sinful life, and do not want to believe in God, because then they would feel they were responsible for changing the way they live.

and 2 , because they had a poor relationship with their fathers, so this subconsciencly avoid deep relationships with anyone with an authoritive image..

I just wish that they knew what they were missing out on in our LORD!

Where is the evidence that this is the case? Did anyone do a scientific study to determine that this is true? Why do you just accept something as true without requiring evidence?

 

[Zendra]

Faith, basically some people can have confidence with very little evidence.

This is what i find interesting.

I was listening to a christain program

Would you ask Muslims for info about Christians.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Faith, basically some people can have confidence with very little evidence.

Doesn't the existence of visible things that science has not been able to fully explain testify that there is a Supremely Intelligent Eternal Creative Power (God) behind the universe's existence?

"For since the creatilon of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
(Ro 1:20 NIV)

SLE