Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[B-A-C]

Bottom line, the Disciples were "Born again", and indwelled by the Holy Spirit at John 20:22. Acts 2 is a subsequent clothing with power applied to folks who ALREADY had the Holy Spirit Indwelling.

One is the indwelling, the other is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Without the baptism, you don't receive the gifts.
However "most" Pentecostal churches (including the AG) don't believe you have to be "baptized" with the Holy Spirit to be saved.

Infilling vs Baptism in the Holy Spirit

The 120 people in the upper room in Acts 2. The 11 apostles (minus Judas) and Mary were there. Were they saved before this day? The apostles had already been following Jesus for 3 years. Were they ever baptized in the Holy Spirit before this day? OK, so that was the first time for anyone...

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[Reba1]

We, The Revival Fellowship, do preach this.
A person MUST be born from above by water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.
And everybody in our church has done this.

Notice this is about man not about the Shed Blood of Christ . What He did but what we do .. .

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Pentecostal churches (including the AG) don't believe you have to be "baptized" with the Holy Spirit to be saved.

And you don't. The disciples were all saved going into Acts 2, which was the "enduement (clothing with) of Power" that Jesus told 'em to hang around for. NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.

 

[vhusley]

And you don't. The disciples were all saved going into Acts 2, which was the "enduement (clothing with) of Power" that Jesus told 'em to hang around for. NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.

So, what is required for a person to come to salvation?

 

[Sue D.]

1 Corinthians 15:1-3 and Romans 10:9-10.

 

[Reba1]

So, what is required for a person to come to salvation?

The Blood of the Lamb of God

 

[Sue D.]

A person needs to place their faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[vhusley]

1 Corinthians 15:1-3 and Romans 10:9-10.

So what of Matthew 7:21?

 

[vhusley]

A person needs to place their faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

So faith alone in this will bring salvation?

 

[Waggles]

So, what is required for a person to come to salvation?

I am glad you asked ...
Jesus set it out clearly for those who want to believe and obey

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born being an old man? can he enter a second time into the womb of his mother, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
3:8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he [Jesus] said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
16:18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
16:20 And THEY went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed.

One can read how this all comes to fruition in Acts onwards.

 

[vhusley]

I am glad you asked ...
Jesus set it out clearly for those who want to believe and obey

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born being an old man? can he enter a second time into the womb of his mother, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
3:8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he [Jesus] said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
16:18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
16:20 And THEY went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed.

One can read how this all comes to fruition in Acts onwards.

Thanks. That’s what I was trying to get at. The fact that baptism of the Holy Spirit IS necessary for salvation. Belief and faith are required for a person to get to that point, but these elements are only the beginning as Jesus points out to Nicodemus. Belief is not enough.
“What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?” -James 2:14

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So, what is required for a person to come to salvation?

FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross - which is GIFTED to the person by God (Eph 2:8,9) when the person, under conviction of SIN, repents of their SIN, and calls upon God.

Then they are Born again, and infilled with the Holy SPirit (John 20:22 - Luke 24:45), and can take HIS YOKE upon them, and learn of Him ( Mat 11:29).

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So faith alone in this will bring salvation?

Absolutely!! Nothing else will.

 

[Waggles]

Thanks. That’s what I was trying to get at. The fact that baptism of the Holy Spirit IS necessary for salvation.

Millions will agree with you on that motherhood statement.
The problem is complying with scripture which teaches us that Christians were to be baptized in water by full immersion and baptized in the Holy Spirit
with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.
And the Spirit-filled church would be a church manifesting the power of God in believers' lives - signs and miracles.
Then there are the nine gifts given to the body of Christ.
But alas those without the Holy Spirit would rather preach another gospel.

 

[vhusley]

FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross - which is GIFTED to the person by God (Eph 2:8,9) when the person, under conviction of SIN, repents of their SIN, and calls upon God.

Then they are Born again, and infilled with the Holy SPirit (John 20:22 - Luke 24:45), and can take HIS YOKE upon them, and learn of Him ( Mat 11:29).

Why did Paul need to re-baptize the 12 men in Acts 19:1-6? Wasn’t their belief enough? What happened to them after he baptized them in the name of Jesus and laid hands on them?

 

[B-A-C]

Why did Paul need to re-baptize the 12 men in Acts 19:1-6? Wasn’t their belief enough? What happened to them after he baptized them in the name of Jesus and laid hands on them?

Obviously they hadn't had the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet (see link below for all 5 times this happened)

Infilling vs Baptism in the Holy Spirit

The 120 people in the upper room in Acts 2. The 11 apostles (minus Judas) and Mary were there. Were they saved before this day? The apostles had already been following Jesus for 3 years. Were they ever baptized in the Holy Spirit before this day? OK, so that was the first time for anyone...

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But even though they hadn't been baptized in the Holy Spirit yet, does that mean they weren't saved? Were the 120 people in the upper room (including the 11 apostles) saved before this event?
Pentecostals emphasize that you "should" be baptized in the Holy Spirit, but most don't say it's mandatory.

 

[Reba1]

Why did Paul need to re-baptize the 12 men in Acts 19:1-6? Wasn’t their belief enough? What happened to them after he baptized them in the name of Jesus and laid hands on them?

1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
1Co 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Act_19:29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

1Co_16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.


I do not read in Act 19 Paul baptized any of those 12 . The passage says there were Baptized but it does not say Paul did it.
The passage clearly says Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Re-baptized ? the passages says they had been baptized Unto John's baptism.

These guys were believers Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

According to some here the Words of Jesus Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. are not enough

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Wasn’t their belief enough?

"Belief" is NEVER "Enough". Faith gifted by God is what gets it done. Then they're baptized as born again believers.

 

[vhusley]

Absolutely!! Nothing else will.

“What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?” -James 2:14

 

[Sue D.]

And a person sees another person's faith in what they're doing.