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The Sabbath

What do believe is the Sabbath day?


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Nobody believes that "Thou shalt not steal" has been done away with. It's the Sabbath that so many want to be done away with.

Thou shalt not speed is not done away with when a traffic cop shows grace. Only law breakers are under the law. The carnal mind is not under the law. Take a look at Romans 8:6-9. " 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

So, if you are carnal minded, I agree that you are not under the law.
 
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Our righteousness is Jesus.
Not a day.
This would not have been written if we had to keep Saturday as the sabbath....

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

If you go against what you believe, then it isn't of faith, and is sin.......so worship on Saturday if you desire. We worship on Sunday, and esteem God just as you.
Its a matter of the heart, not a day.
Keeping a day isn't the criteria for salvation , being born again is.
 
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I honestly feel that the Sabbath is not a specific day. The Sabbath is the day you choose to make it some say sunday and others saturday the last day of the week is saturday, the disciples broke bread on sunday to me the sabbath is not a specific day but any one day out of the week I choose to give to the Lord. Some people have to work on both days of the weekend and have weekdays off so would it be wrong for them to choose a day where they can rest I feel that it is not. thanks for the post Godbless love in Christ.
 
The Sabbath Truth

God rested on the seventh day. History cannot be changed. God said that the reason He blessed and sanctified the seventh day is because in it He rested from all His work of creation (Gen. 2:3). Man can neither remove nor shift God's blessings, nor can man at any time UN-sanctify what God has set aside for holy use. HE called the seventh day the Sabbath. (Exodus 20:16). The only way the seventh day Sabbath can be changed into a first day Sabbath is to change history and show that God changed the day that He rested to the first day instead of the seventh.

Can your birthday be changed? To change the celebration of your birthday to a day other than your birthday would be to project a lie that you were born on a day that you were not. The only reason a person would want to do this is to deceive others into believing that a person is older or younger than he actually is. This of course is deception from the enemy. It is a Biblical and historical fact that God rested on the seventh day. Changing calendars around can no more change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday than it can change the birthday of the world to a day after it was created. Why would the resurrection on Easter Sunday be reason enough to change the fourth commandment Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day? We just saw why God chose the seventh day to be His holy Sabbath. Did not God finish His work and rest on the seventh day?

Which historical fact or facts changed and brought about a need to alter the Sabbath and the history books and the heavenly records to reflect a need for a new Sabbath day? Even in death Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath. Sunday is the first day after the rest day. This is why Paul told them to gather their means on Sunday, not on the Sabbath. When a Bible text appears to suggest anything to the contrary, a prayerful reexamination will reveal the truth. Bible principle does not change. If such a change was of God, the New Testament would be full of texts upholding the change. Paul would have told all who would hear him about such a life changing NEW LAW that would affect so many who were totally convinced that the seventh day was the unchangeable, historical Sabbath. All of the New Testament writers would have had a tough job to do, convincing the people through lots of documentation and visions that God the Almighty has changed one of His Ten Commandments, by moving His rest day to a day after He rested. What do you think?

God is love. God is fair. God is extremely patient. God is all knowing. God is perfect and incapable of mistreatment or mistake. Can a God with all of these attributes pay out the wrong wages? Who will be paid the wages of sin? Is God capable of sending someone to hell who doesn't deserve to go? Those who will be lost in hell will have first had the opportunity to clear sin from their lives through the help of Jesus. First, God must make sure that the lost understand that sin is the transgression of the law and that the wages of sin are death. Why would God set aside a day for holy use and then remove His sanctification and place it on another day without rewriting the stone tablets?

If the resurrection of Jesus was designed from the start to bring an end to the seventh day Sabbath and start a first day Sabbath in its place, would God be organized enough to tell all of the prophets of the old AND New Testaments to prepare His people for such a momentous change? After about 4,000 years of seventh day Sabbath keeping, would God Almighty expect His people to make a sudden change to another day without being taught of the coming change by the prophets?

If the resurrection of Jesus brought about a Sabbath change, then Jesus Himself should have been teaching this to all who would hear Him. Sunday keeping by professed Christians didn't start until years after the resurrection. Could this mean that God secretly changed His law without sufficiently preparing His people for a change in the definition of sin? Sin is the transgression of the law and a change in the law IS a change in what sin is declared to be (first John 3:4). Each time God would change the law, that which is sin must also change. If the Sabbath today is Sunday, then the fourth Commandment must now read that the FIRST day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

The old tables of stone would be no longer valid and those who obeyed the old fourth Command would be living in sin. This is a very serious issue and it is shameful that so many professed Christians don't think much of it. Here is something to ponder. Satan is a liar and a counterfeiter. Sunday is his counterfeit Sabbath. Since the wages of sin is death and sin is the transgression of the law, logic dictates that ONE CAN ONLY BE LOST FOR BREAKING GOD'S LAW. So, the mark of the beast cannot harm a soul unless it involves the breaking of the law, which is sin. Now we know that 666 fertilizer cannot be the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast must be something that the beast institutes that cause the people to sin by obeying it. Those who keep the Ten Commandments and have faith in Jesus, while accepting the spirit of prophecy, which is the writings of the prophets, will not need to worry about receiving the Mark of the Beast, because they will have the Seal of God.

If Adam had sinned in breaking the seventh day Sabbath and Jesus would have sinned in breaking it, how in the world can we break it today and not be guilty of sin? Every time a lamb was sacrificed on the altar, the sinner knew that one day Jesus would come and put an end to that temporary system, for it was only a type that pointed to Jesus the antitype. God's people knew that the annual sacrificial Sabbath days were temporary and only meant to last until Jesus came. They knew this was why God had them written in a book instead of on stone with His permanent law. After all of the instruction that God gave for hundreds of years through His prophets, do you think that God just changed His mind or do you believe that He gave sufficient notice that at the death and resurrection of Jesus, the seventh day as all His people knew it, would no longer be sanctified (set aside for holy use), but that the first day was to take its place? From that moment, the books in heaven would have had to make a shift.

THE WEEK THAT JESUS DIED WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE TWO SABBATHS. Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and He would have risen on the first day Sabbath. So, the women who came to the tomb to finish their work would have been breaking the first Sunday Sabbath by bringing spices to finish what they delayed because of the seventh day Sabbath. Surely Jesus would have told His mother to treat Sunday as she would Saturday. There is no such record in all of scripture. When the Marys came to the tomb to work, why didn't the Lord rebuke them for breaking the FIRST NEW SUNDAY SABBATH? Instead He told Mary to go and tell the others of His resurrection. Did Jesus forget that He just changed the Sabbath and that Mary was coming to break it? Of course not. Jesus never changed the law. He fulfilled it by completing the sacrificial system's requirements and He obeyed all ten commandments. May God be with us all. Amen.
 
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History is History,yes, but with God he is lord over all.
He changed the dispensations, He made new covenants, and he has the right, and power to do so.....He is God
 
When it comes down to it the Sabbath is part of the Law like it or not. just cause it dosent suite you dosent make it null and voide.

can the sabbath save you no we are saved by grace not by law. yet Jesus said "if you love me you will keep my commands" Jesus gave us the gift of the sabbath and nowhere in the entire Bible has it been changed from the 7th day to any other day. the first covanent was given because of transgression of the moral law. why? because the other laws hich were added ponted to Jesus eg sacrifices etc. they foreshadowed Jesus who is the basis of the new covanent.

now if the practices and laws of the old covenant were brought in because of transgression of the ten commandments and those laws were forshadowing Jesus then when Jesus comes in the picture and becomes the new covonent why same reason because of breaking the ten commandment moral law.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

why was the law added?

A: Becaise of transgression

What is Transgression?

A: 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

breaking of the law

so the law was added because of the breaking of the law but only as Galatians says untill the seed Jesus comes then Jesus takes the place of the added law.

The Sabbath is part of that law a gift from GOd.

Brothers and Sisters If God dosent care which day we have as the sabbath then why bother stating the 7th day. and start with remember. in fact the sabbath is and was started on the seventh day of creation read the 4th commandment and there can be no doubt of this.

as I have said there is no place in the Bible where Jesus changed the sabbath many try to say that there is but they are clutching at straws to make themselves feel better about it.

God gave a day you can obey that out of love for the grace given or you can obey man and the day man has given.

chose you this day who you will serve as for me and my house we will worship the Lord on the day He specified

BLessings
 
The truth we have put forth is in Gods word also, and you choose to ignore it......that is your choice, doesn't make mine, or others wrong.

Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.Romans 14:5 and 14:14

I'm not attacking you for your sabbath choice, it is yours to deal with.
Don't attack me for mine.

Jesus is my choice, and my sabbath rest, has been for many years.
He is my only righteousness, and in his love for me, I do rest.
There are many who will not enter his rest....that too is a choice we make. Hebrews 4:1 and on through the chapter is Gods word on his
Sabbath rest.
We cease from our own works, and enter his rest.
His finished work on the cross.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind......Romans 14:5-6
That settles it for me, It is Gods word.
 
The truth we have put forth is in Gods word also, and you choose to ignore it......that is your choice, doesn't make mine, or others wrong.

Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.Romans 14:5 and 14:14

I'm not attacking you for your sabbath choice, it is yours to deal with.
Don't attack me for mine.

Jesus is my choice, and my sabbath rest, has been for many years.
He is my only righteousness, and in his love for me, I do rest.
There are many who will not enter his rest....that too is a choice we make. Hebrews 4:1 and on through the chapter is Gods word on his
Sabbath rest.
We cease from our own works, and enter his rest.
His finished work on the cross.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind......Romans 14:5-6
That settles it for me, It is Gods word.

Amen Gracealone, Amen and Hallelujah!!! If we have not ceased from our own works even those in obedience to the law then we have not entered into His rest.
 
Let me ask you how a pastor is supposed to keep the sabbath ? My pastor loves the Lord with all his heart and does his very best to serve Him and lead by example. He has to work on Sunday that's part of his job. So even though he's sharing the word of God helping others to live better for Christ and leading them to Christ is he still sinning? His job requires him to be there at church on Sunday he. has explained that because he has to work on this day he chooses to give all his time to the Lord on monday making it his day of rest and as Gracealone said Romans 14:5-6. Also as you had said you follow Saturday but what about the pastors who preach on saturday does that make them wrong for doing so? Godbless love in Christ. Also Col 2:16.
 
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Hey Shipwreck, in your last post you asked a question that seems to be directed to a specific person but I am not clear as to who you were directing it to.
 
ok then fine give me one verse just one from anywhere in the Bible that says that the Sabbath has been changed one verse is all I ask.

remember this is not a simple as you think no one has ever been able to do it many even the cathoilic church has issued challenges for anyone to do this and offered huge sums of money and no one has been able to claime it.

Romans 14 does not work first of all cause the whole thing is about judging and remember there were other sabbath days that where not of the 4th commandment and funnly enough this was an issue in pauls time some said they should keep the cerimonial sabbaths that pointed to CHrist and those who understood that Christ had replaced those sabbaths and there was judging going on on both sides. the 4th commandment sabbath was never an issue in the early church even paul himself kept the 4th commandment sabbath as Jesus did.

it is true that in CHrist we are not under the law why because that is the whole point of Jesus coming to save us from the law which condemned us. now why did that law condmen us.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

so then the law is the knowledge of sin else where is says:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

so breaking the law is sin but we are not under the law but:

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

obedience to what O easy he just said the law.

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

this could not be any clearer james calls it:


Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

what law is this ?

Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
Jam 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

there is your context it is clearly the ten commandment law and as he said offend in one point is guilt of all points.
notice he calls it the law of liberty (freedom)

my point is brothers and sisters. we are not under the law praise GOd but we still out of love for the grace given by our Lord and Saviour must obey and fight against sin in the power of Christ. if sin is breaking the law as clearly stated in scripture above and Paul says we should not sin because fo Grace but rather obey and James says we should act as if we were judged by this law then its clear that the law is still to be kept as Jesus said "go and sin no more" James said to offend in one point is to break the whole thing.

im not saying its sin to worhsip on sunday monday or any other day. but the Bibel is clear that the ten commandments is not done away with becasue of Grace in fact paul says becasue of Grace we should uphold the law that we might bring glory to Jesus.

Jesus said he did not come to abolish but fulfill why becasue the law damanded blood and Jesus gave it blood his own for you and me. praise God.

I could use many other verses to continue to show the same thing I already have its all over the scripture. and by the way the sabbath commandment is repeated in the new testament for those who are seeking truth.

who is it better to obey man or God?

brothers and sisters I do not tell you this to judge you but I will that you will have the same blessing that I have by coming to the Lord on the day He gave us. the Sabbath has never been changed and never will be it is a sign between GOd and His people and a great blessing that is not given on any other day. GOd specified the 7th day because that is the day He blessing in creation week and it was then he made it holy before a Jew even existed the sabbath was created o the 7th day of creation.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus is Lord of the 7th day sabbath and it is a gift for man from God it is your choice weather to accept this gift and the blessing that goes with it.

blessings
 
Let me ask you how a pastor is supposed to keep the sabbath ? My pastor loves the Lord with all his heart and does his very best to serve Him and lead by example. He has to work on Sunday that's part of his job. So even though he's sharing the word of God helping others to live better for Christ and leading them to Christ is he still sinning? His job requires him to be there at church on Sunday he. has explained that because he has to work on this day he chooses to give all his time to the Lord on monday making it his day of rest and as Gracealone said Romans 14:5-6. Also as you had said you follow Saturday but what about the pastors who preach on saturday does that make them wrong for doing so? Godbless love in Christ. Also Col 2:16.

No way is he sinning.
He is being obedient to the call of God on his life.

Even those who claim to keep the Sabbath, meaning Saturday , Do not keep it according to the Old Testament.

You could not even walk on the Sabbath, but for a short distance.
I forget the amount there, but very short way.
They accused Jesus, and his followers of breaking the Sabbath by picking a few kernel's of wheat.
I understand there are over 600 laws to keeping the Sabbath, if that is ones bent, but I doubt that even one knows what they are today., or very few do.
Just going to a Saturday service is not keeping the Sabbath law.

I would rather trust in Jesus, and what he has done for me, than all the rules in the world, for in this flesh, is no good thing. WE can not do it.
It is by grace alone, through faith, in Christ our Lord.
All to his glory, not our ability to keep a set of rules....:peace:

I understand what you are saying, and agree with your heart there shipwrek.....
 
No way is he sinning.
He is being obedient to the call of God on his life.

Even those who claim to keep the Sabbath, meaning Saturday , Do not keep it according to the Old Testament.

You could not even walk on the Sabbath, but for a short distance.
I forget the amount there, but very short way.
They accused Jesus, and his followers of breaking the Sabbath by picking a few kernel's of wheat.
I understand there are over 600 laws to keeping the Sabbath, if that is ones bent, but I doubt that even one knows what they are today., or very few do.
Just going to a Saturday service is not keeping the Sabbath law.

I would rather trust in Jesus, and what he has done for me, than all the rules in the world, for in this flesh, is no good thing. WE can not do it.
It is by grace alone, through faith, in Christ our Lord.
All to his glory, not our ability to keep a set of rules....:peace:

I understand what you are saying, and agree with your heart there shipwrek.....

good work another thing Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the sabbath and there is nothing better than saving souls. amen about the grace thing, but remember that GOd does have rules as mentioned in the my new post obove this one. remember that a lot of the rules where not from GOd but man in the jewish culture.
 
Hebrews 9:27&28
27*And just as it is destined that each person dies only once and after that comes judgment, 28*so also Christ died only once as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again but not to deal with our sins again. This time he will bring salvation to all those who are eagerly waiting for him.

What does this scripture mean to you?

How do you keep the sabbath?

FinalCry these question were for you. I am curious what you make of this scripture and how you keep the sabbath.
 
Christ died because we do not qualify to pay the wages of sin that will bring us eternal life. Sin is the breaking of the law. This includes all ten commandments.

Yes, I am a COMMANDMENT KEEPER. I do keep the fourth commandment Sabbath. I try not to do secular things that can be done on other days on the Sabbath. Example: I do not shop on the Sabbath, but if I were visiting a home where no food is, I would go to the store and buy some. This is doing good on the Sabbath. I would not mop my floor on the Sabbath, but if someone vomited on the Sabbath, I would mop the floor. Ex. 20:8-11 says that we should do no work on the Sabbath. This refers to unnecessary work.
Consider the following:

Christ being the END of the law:
Rom. 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end result of the law. The law leads us to the character of Christ.
1st Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, [even] the salvation of [your] souls.

Should faith now end?

1st Tim. 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned:
Here we are told that the end RESULT of keeping the commandments is charity.

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

The Lord has not ended. The end result of Job’s patience was mercy from God.

The Schoolmaster:
Gal. 3:23-25 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The whole idea of anything that leads us to Christ is to get us to love Him and keep His commandments. The law plays the role of a schoolmaster by teaching us what sin is. (1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.) Then we are told in 1st John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Here is another text.
Mark 10:17-19 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Christ didn’t need to name all ten commandments for them to know which law He was talking about. If you are not inclined to murder, do you need a law that says, "Thou shalt not murder?" Should you be concerned about a law that says, "Thou shalt not stand on thy head for two hours a day?" If you are a murderer or a head stander, you might. For the thief, "Thou shalt not steal" is a schoolmaster that leads him to the love of Jesus, which brings to an end, his desire to steal. Christians don’t keep the law in order to be Christians, rather Christians keep the law out of love because we ARE Christians. A pear tree produces pears not to prove that it is a pear tree, but because it is a pear tree. If you had ten teachers who taught and led you to your PHD degree, once you were awarded your PHD, you no longer needed those ten teachers or schoolmasters. Do you now make void what they taught? Rom 3:31 says, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

You no longer need a schoolmaster because you are practicing what they taught. Because you no longer need your physics teacher, do you think the laws of physics are now void? A reasonable person will realize that when a schoolmaster is no longer needed, the students are able to teach what they were taught and spread the truth. If whatever the schoolmaster teaches is no longer valid upon teaching it, then he has a useless job. What has happened to make God’s law no longer needed by man? When is "Thou shalt not steal:" inappropriate?


Paul makes things quite clear:
Rom. 3:19-31 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
The law was made for all, but only law breakers are under the law.
If you drove 80 mph in a 55 mph zone and the traffic cop showed you mercy and grace, does this make void the law? If you no longer sped, are you under the law? The law says, "Thou shalt not speed." when grace keeps you from paying the price of a ticket, you are not under the law, but under grace. Is it wise to now speed? The speed limit sign is a schoolmaster only for those who would speed. The speed limit signs are a reminder of what the law says.
3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
The deeds of the law that says, "Thou shalt not steal" is to live and not steal. We are not justified by the act of not stealing. The law merely tells us that stealing is a sin and we know that the wages if sin is death. If sin is NOT the transgression of the law as stated by 1st John 3:4, then what is sin? Sin is the only thing that God will send us to hell for.

3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Righteousness is right doing. If you are living right, you don’t need a law to remind you to do what you already are doing. The law only condemns the wicked. The righteous are not under the law, because they obey it out of love. If you love God then keep the first four commandments. If you love your neighbor, then keep the last six. Upon these two, hang all the law and the prophets, which is the golden rule as found in Luke 6:31. " And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. "
3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Who in their right mind would think that this text is telling us that we no longer need, "Thou shalt not steal?"
In order to get rid of the Sabbath, one must get rid of the whole law.

3:29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
I agree with Brother Paul.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Gal. 5:3,4 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If repentance is required to be saved and the law is void, then what is there to repent of?

Matt. 15:9 says, " But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."

If the Sabbath was changed to Sunday from Saturday by man, then this text applies.
 
Gods word says: Romans 14:1-8

[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations. [2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. (Rom 14:1-8 KJV)
 
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Gods word says: Romans 14:1-8

[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations. [2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. (Rom 14:1-8 KJV)


no problems with that scripture see this is the problem we are not judging you. this post is about our beliefe its a poll and we have used much scripture to secure our position. this one scripture does not make null and void the many we have used. in fact it is totally I have delt with this scripture from romans already. for within romans itself paul explains the realation of the law to Christiansity as mentioned in earlier post.

this romans above does not go against anything I and others have said. its about judging people and no one is doing that in fact clearly if nothing els ignore everything I said and just read the scriptures I put by themselves. you persist on using romans to prove your point yet paul in romans is clear that the law is still to be kept by those who are saved by grace. as mentioned in earlier post. context is important also understanding the culture of the time and the issues that they were dealing with otherwise texts are used out of context. here clearly with the fact that in the early church there was no issue with the weekly sabbath but there was with the ceramonial days hmmm.

Its not me that says it. the Bible the word of God did. that is what your fighting with not me.

you can go to worship on sunday if that is where your heart is but just know that sunday is not was not and will never be the sabbath of God. it is plain in the scripture over and over agian.

blessings
 
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You can have a day as your sabbath if you so desire, Jesus is mine.

I have entered his rest, and that is the picture he himself showed concerning the sabbath.

His death was the end of the law, for righteousness, and the beginning of a new covenant. Hebrews 8: 1-13
in that he sayeth a new covenant, he hath made the first old.


Christ in us, the hope of glory, our righteousness, our sabbath rest.

Col. 2:17 says;
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
 
You can have a day as your sabbath if you so desire, Jesus is mine.

I have entered his rest, and that is the picture he himself showed concerning the sabbath.

His death was the end of the law, for righteousness, and the beginning of a new covenant. Hebrews 8: 1-13
in that he sayeth a new covenant, he hath made the first old.


Christ in us, the hope of glory, our righteousness, our sabbath rest.

Col. 2:17 says;
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

once again col is in the same context as the romans one you used. new moon sabbath days etc all the same language of the festivals not the moral law. and by the way Jesus is Jesus and the Sabbath is His Sabbath.

its obviouse that you have not read my posts that or you have a problem with scripture. I have already covered the covenant thing with Biblical evidence and we are not judging you. and yet you have not come with anything against the scripture I have given which makes me question.

you can either follow the word of God or man.

God gave a day not me, but God if you have a problem with that then take it up with Him. as for me I am quite happy obeying the one who gave all to save me. in fact i find it a privilage to follow Jesus in His way and not my own man made way.

if you have scripture to refute what I have shown then give it instead of using the same ones all the time that do not disprove the ones I have used. all Im asking is to give Biblical evidence against my points instead of hiding behind one or two that do not directly confront this issue but rather accuse me of judging.
 
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