The Sabbath

[missi]

I think it was Constantine who modified the Law... changing it from Saturday to Sunday. [or was it someone else?]

What right does he have to do that?

:secret:

So therefore, regardless of tradition, we must follow what the Lord says.

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown -- we must keep that holy. We must not sin, we must not work, we must not do things that would displease the Lord.

"And He answered and said to them, "And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?""
-Matthew 15:3

:wink:

 

[lettheredeemed]

Amen. The Old Testament was but a type and shadow of Christ. Jesus Christ is my Sabbath rest. In Him I my fleshly works of must cease , in Him I must draw close in worship , in Him I find rest, peace ,union and communion with the Father and that in perpetuity.
In the end we must walk with our God with a clean conscience and not violate our hearts toward Him.


Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Amen!

We are all the same in Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Now for those that are not in Christ this does not apply.

 

[Gracealone]

Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law. Saturday has been the Sabbath from the beginning of time. The Sabbath has been moved to Sunday by the authority of the Cathic Church and is not a Biblical teaching. Jesus did say that the Sabbath was for man but in Mark 2:16 He said He was the Lord of the Sabbath. No where does it say that all other commandments are to be kept but number 4. I have been studying this closely and if someone has Biblical verses for the abolishment of the Sabbath or the changing of days, it would be helpful.

I would disagree with you as far as it not being a Biblical teaching.
If you would go back to 1Corinthians 16:2
Now concerning the collection for the Saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The Christians for the most part during this time met in Homes, and gathered together on the first day of the week, which is Sunday, but the word also says; Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Because we are in a new covenant Sunday has been the normal gathering since Christ arose, for some, and some still go on Saturday.
Neither is a sign of righteousness. Christ is our only righteousness.

 

[Boanerges]

Praise God that Jesus did indeed fulfill the Law for us for we never could.


Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

From the Book of Acts on the Church met daily.

 

[lettheredeemed]

I would disagree with you as far as it not being a Biblical teaching.
If you would go back to 1Corinthians 16:2
Now concerning the collection for the Saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The Christians for the most part during this time met in Homes, and gathered together on the first day of the week, which is Sunday, but the word also says; Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Because we are in a new covenant Sunday has been the normal gathering since Christ arose, for some, and some still go on Saturday. The Lord repeats all the other commandments in the NT except that one.
Neither is a sign of righteousness. Christ is our only righteousness.

If I remember correctly, Keep holy the Sabbath is the only commandment that was not repeated in the NT.
It does teach us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.

 

[missi]

I would disagree with you as far as it not being a Biblical teaching.
If you would go back to 1Corinthians 16:2
Now concerning the collection for the Saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The Christians for the most part during this time met in Homes, and gathered together on the first day of the week, which is Sunday, but the word also says; Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Because we are in a new covenant Sunday has been the normal gathering since Christ arose, for some, and some still go on Saturday.
Neither is a sign of righteousness. Christ is our only righteousness.

Sister, the Apostle Paul has not said that the 'first day of the week' that is to be 'set aside' is the replacement for the Sabbath.

The first day of the week or any other day of the week to esteem each other in Christ is not the Sabbath.

But rather, the first day of the week, or the traditional worship day, is a day set aside to get us ready to face the entire week in the world: a world that is not holy, a world governed by the devil - by sin. It is, however, not the Sabbath, or the day ordained by the Most High God to be the day of rest.

If we are to equate the 'first day' of the week or 'any other day' of the week to the 'seventh day' of the week, then we are most certainly making a logical mistake as well as practicing lawlessness....

Matthew 7:21-23
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Therefore we must obey the Law. And the Law declares that we must keep the Sabbath holy.

Exodus 20:8-10
8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9"Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
12'Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
13'Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15'You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day.

and, apparently, by equating Sunday to the 'seventh day' would be modifying the Word of the Lord...

Revelation 22:18-19
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Jesus, Himself, said that the Law is the Law - and most certainly cannot be changed nor can it fail.

Luke 16:17
17"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

Our Lord Jesus Christ most certainly came to save us - because we cannot be holy without His help. That is the New Covenant. We are helpless without Him in this world - without Him we absolutely vulnerable to sin.

Luke 22:20
20And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

And for every sin we commit - for every disobedience to the Law - there is a corresponding curse. And that is what Christ came for us --

Galatians 3:13-14
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--
14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

He came to redeem us from the curse of the Law - which is eternity in Hell - eternal punishment.

He did not come to redeem us from following the Law. He knew that we cannot follow the Law properly - as perfectly as possible - especially the Gentiles, who have no idea of who the Father was and is, but since

John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

so Jesus Christ, therefore, is the Lamb of God (which the Levites used to offer on their altars to the Lord for the forgiveness of their sins, according to the Old Testament) that God offered for the forgiveness of the sins of everyone who believes in the Son.

Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

That was our King's purpose: to provide salvation to everyone who believes, not to let people free from obedience to the Law as they are 'already saved anyway'.

Therefore, if we ever come short of the Law, Christ has provided the sacrifice for us for the forgiveness of our sins - the Ultimate Sacrifice. However, we must still follow the Law, or else Christ's sacrifice would have been in vain, and God would be inconsistent, and rather, imperfect, in His ways.

Hebrews 13:8
8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

And since He is perfect and holy, nothing has changed - regardless of all the 'new covenant' additions western theologians have made.

Romans 3:31
31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

John 14:15
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


Now, since we have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, and therefore establishing a New Covenant with the Father as our Lord has said, we must follow what our Lord God told us to do as much as possible -- falling short of the Law does not mean we may fall short by our own choice as there is a new covenant of forgiveness anyway. God said,

1 Peter 1:16
16because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

We must follow what our Lord says because we love Him, because we have to be holy, because He is our LORD and Savior, not just our Savior.

If one, however, wishes to keep to one's used-to-living, which involves working on Saturdays (as it is more convenient because the entire world does the same), I can only leave you with the following verses:

Matthew 16:25
25"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

We may lose our jobs, or we may lose our friends who wish to hang out with us during Saturdays -- but it is very clear as to what the Lord says about the Sabbath day -

Matthew 10:37-38
37"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38"And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

So are we worthy of the Lord? Nobody is worthy, in truth, but that is just how much God loves us... however, we must still take up our crosses and follow after Christ.

Galatians 6:7
7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.

We obey the Lord - that is what we must do. We cannot just not do what the Law says because we're already saved, no. Christians can go to hell when they sin continually. God does not tolerate disobedience, so neither does the New Covenant of God with man tolerate disobedience to the Law. The Holy Scriptures never said such a thing.

If one, however, can't help it because the job that one might lose for not attending to during Saturdays is a high-paying job,

Matthew 6:24
24"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and wealth.

If one still wishes to keep to what one believes, as that is what tradition taught him to believe or any other, two more verses would probably do:

Matthew 15:3
3And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?

Is tradition more important than God?

2 Corinthians 4:4
4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Or is one blinded and deceived?


Jesus Christ is enough for salvation, but we are still under the Law because the Law is God's own Word.


May God bless you and may this be a thorough clarification of the subject to everyone.

 

[Boanerges]

If I remember correctly, Keep holy the Sabbath is the only commandment that was not repeated in the NT.
It does teach us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.

Correct,there is no such scripture.
Jesus came to preach to the lost, He lived and walked as an Old Covenant Jew to fulfill the requirements of the Law.


The church was born in the Book of Acts. There is not a single command to them to keep the Sabbath ; in fact it is only mentioned as a period of time (for travel); as a day when the Apostles meet with Jewish folks in the synagogues to preach Christ; to meet with Jewish converts.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Gracealone]

I hope, once again , that I wasn't misunderstood....
When I first posted I was referring to this partial comment:

The Sabbath has been moved to Sunday by the authority of the Cathic Church and is not a Biblical teaching.

I totally agree with Boanerges post above.

 

[Boanerges]

I hope, once again , that I wasn't misunderstood....
When I first posted I was referring to this partial comment:

The Sabbath has been moved to Sunday by the authority of the Cathic Church and is not a Biblical teaching.

I totally agree with Boanerges post above.

Services were indeed moved from Saturday to Sunday by the RCC. They choose to worship on what John called the Lord's Day in honor of the resurrection. I am fuzzy on my history (about this) and was not aware of them declaring it a moving of the Sabbath.
I was simply trying to present a New Testament view of the Sabbath. As always these are just my opinions, I respect others and their views and I have much love for you in Christ my sister. I am enjoying your posting so keep it coming.

 

[Gracealone]

What I was explaining is the Apostles, far before the Catholics had anything to do with the Sabbath, encourage the Christians to bring in their offerings on the first day of the week, which is a Sunday. 1Corinthians 16:2 Now concerning the collection from the Saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gathering when I come.

Thank you Boanerges, you are always encouraging me. Bless you!

 

[jiggyfly]

Jesus Christ is enough for salvation, but we are still under the Law because the Law is God's own Word.


May God bless you and may this be a thorough clarification of the subject to everyone.

Galatians 3:10-23
10*But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all these commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”* 11*Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”* 12*How different from this way of faith is the way of law, which says, “If you wish to find life by obeying the law, you must obey all of its commands.”*

13*But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”* 14*Through the work of Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, and we Christians receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith.
15*Dear brothers and sisters,* here’s an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or amend an irrevocable agreement, so it is in this case. 16*God gave the promise to Abraham and his child.* And notice that it doesn’t say the promise was to his children,* as if it meant many descendants. But the promise was to his child—and that, of course, means Christ. 17*This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise. 18*For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise.

19*Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God’s promise was made. And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. 20*Now a mediator is needed if two people enter into an agreement, but God acted on his own when he made his promise to Abraham.
21*Well then, is there a conflict between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could have given us new life, we could have been made right with God by obeying it. 22 But the Scriptures have declared that we are all prisoners of sin, so the only way to receive God’s promise is to believe in Jesus Christ.
23*Until faith in Christ was shown to us as the way of becoming right with God, we were guarded by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until we could put our faith in the coming Savior.

Galatians 5:1-6
1*So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
2*Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you. 3*I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses. 4*For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
5*But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith. 6*For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

 

[Gracealone]

Yes!
Good clarification of the truth.....

 

[Boanerges]

Galatians 3:10-23
10*But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all these commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”* 11*Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”* 12*How different from this way of faith is the way of law, which says, “If you wish to find life by obeying the law, you must obey all of its commands.”*

13*But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”* 14*Through the work of Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, and we Christians receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith.
15*Dear brothers and sisters,* here’s an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or amend an irrevocable agreement, so it is in this case. 16*God gave the promise to Abraham and his child.* And notice that it doesn’t say the promise was to his children,* as if it meant many descendants. But the promise was to his child—and that, of course, means Christ. 17*This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise. 18*For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise.

19*Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God’s promise was made. And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. 20*Now a mediator is needed if two people enter into an agreement, but God acted on his own when he made his promise to Abraham.
21*Well then, is there a conflict between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could have given us new life, we could have been made right with God by obeying it. 22 But the Scriptures have declared that we are all prisoners of sin, so the only way to receive God’s promise is to believe in Jesus Christ.
23*Until faith in Christ was shown to us as the way of becoming right with God, we were guarded by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until we could put our faith in the coming Savior.

Galatians 5:1-6
1*So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
2*Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you. 3*I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses. 4*For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
5*But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith. 6*For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Amen.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[ServantOfYHWH]

I believe we are to follow the ten commandments fully, not just nine of them. Romans 3:31 helps me out alot. I am so confused as why the Sabbath has been changed and by what authority it was done. I am not Seventh-Day Aventist, but I do believe this is an important issue. Sunday laws are in the working as we speak, and by believing that the Sabbath is Saturday, I don't think this change is of God. This among other things are going to be deeply prayed over. I trust in Jesus fully and I know I need to keep from sin, but this issue is sitting on my heart, and clarification is needed.

Thank you everyone for your help on this subject,
God Bless

Brother/Sister, I too have struggled with this for quite some time, and I too believe the Sabbath should be Saturday, as that's the day God commanded. He didn't change the Sabbath to Sunday. And if the Sabbath truly doesn't matter to us now, but you still want to celebrate on Sunday, why not do it on a day you know God commanded? Why let man choose what day you will celebrate the Sabbath? I do not agree with that at all.

 

[Gracealone]

Romans 14:5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Jesus is my sabbath , and I desire to be in him everyday of the week.
How about you?

 

[jiggyfly]

Why let man choose what day you will celebrate the Sabbath? I do not agree with that at all.

I agree, why let man tell you not only when but how to celebrate. I am mistified why people would rather celebrate a shadow or type once the original is revealed and made available, but to each his own.

 

[Gracealone]

We are under a new covenant.......The law kills for no one can keep the law perfectly. WE are now justified by faith ,without the deeds of the law...Romans 3:28

You want to go back under the law for righteousness?
Then you are debtor to keep the whole law, not just the Saturday Sabbath. you are then fallen from grace.
The law was a school master showing us our need of a savior.
Our impossible efforts to be saved any other way than by the death of our Living sabbath ,Jesus Christ.
Christ is the end of the law, for righteousness...Romans 10:1-4

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, to everyone that believeth.

Vrs, 5 says;
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, that the man which doeth such things shall live by them.
Gal. 5:4 warns.....Christ has become of no effect unto you, whosoever are justified by the law, Ye are fallen from grace.

 

[FinalCry]

Sabbath

If the law is done away with, then there is no sin. See 1st John 2:4. and 1st John 3:4. I invite you to go to your closet and ask the Lord which day is His Sabbath. If the Holy Spirit can't convince you, I know that I can't. If you will ask God with a sincere heart to follow truth, He will show you light, but you must go to Him as a child, willing to be led by Him. If you have already decided what you will believe, then there is nothing to be done for you.

If you will watch all 6 segments of "What Law Ended at the Cross", you might get your questions answered.

Love,
Gary

 

[Gracealone]

Romans 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[jiggyfly]

If the law is done away with, then there is no sin. See 1st John 2:4. and 1st John 3:4. I invite you to go to your closet and ask the Lord which day is His Sabbath. If the Holy Spirit can't convince you, I know that I can't. If you will ask God with a sincere heart to follow truth, He will show you light, but you must go to Him as a child, willing to be led by Him. If you have already decided what you will believe, then there is nothing to be done for you.

If you will watch all 6 segments of "What Law Ended at the Cross", you might get your questions answered.

Love,
Gary

I don't have any questions about the sabbath, just your interpretation of the scriptures. I believe in the new covenant of Grace Which is the same covenant that Gracealone posted scriptures on, to which you seem to overlook. I know that the sabbath day is Saturday but I also know of what it is symbolic of and a shadow to something and someone of much greater importance, Jesus the Christ.

Hebrews 9:27&28
27*And just as it is destined that each person dies only once and after that comes judgment, 28*so also Christ died only once as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again but not to deal with our sins again. This time he will bring salvation to all those who are eagerly waiting for him.

What does this scripture mean to you?

How do you keep the sabbath?