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What do believe is the Sabbath day?


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DEAR JIGGYFLY>>>>>the laws of moses were done away with...thats bible 101...the ten commandments were never done away with, if you believe that you are misguided. The laws are part of the new covenant...guess it depends on which church beliefs suit you better. They are what tells us what sin IS. When Jesus died on the cross...the temple curtain was torn apart indicating that the laws of moses were now over...but the ten commamdments were not. Jesus said ..think not...Paul said ...do we make void the law, never. Its amazing how professed christians want to do away with the law of God. They will be around forever...they are called eternal laws...yes even in eternity we will require laws. I don't care what day you keep for God...but you should keep at least one day for God. After all thats all He asked for. Jesus said ...upon these two(love God.. Love your neighbor as yourself)depends the WHOLE law and the prophets. And don't let that fourth law put fear in you. Its the one that causes so much controversy. Instead pray to God for wisdom and guidance. And don't forget Jesus own words....IF you love ME...KEEP...well you know the rest. All your arguements have been invented by men ...Use PURE scripture...and don't try to interpret them...the bible does a good job on its own...you know...line upon line, rule upon rule a little here and a little there...And keep in context what paul was saying...about moses laws and the ten commandments, they are totally different. Some wanted to hang on to those mosaic laws even after Jesus went back to heaven. The next time you don't think we need the laws of God, ask yourself this simple question...WHICH OF THE TEN ARE YOU ALLOWED TO BREAK. God bless you...I do read your posts from time to time.
 
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Brian thanks for the response but you didn't answer my questions.


How would you address Paul's statement in 2Corintians 3:7-11?


7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.
 
I don't care what day you keep for God...but you should keep at least one day for God.

Thats not what Jesus Christ said, Hes still Lord aint He?

Old Covenant Command "Honor the Sabbath Day and keep IT Holy"

Man tried to do that, and floundered and failed, how could he not...do you know what "keeping the sabbath holy" requires of you? whew!

NEW Convenant Command reads like this...(thank God an "IT" became a HIM, and a "TEN" became the sum of One Word)

Honor Christ, and keep yourself Holy.

John 5:23 That all may honor the Son

1Pe 1:16 Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The first was`nt possible, hence the need for ongoing sacrifices,
the second is possible because of Christs sacrifice, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I suppose its easier to try to give God a day, than give God our ALL...
 
Brian thanks for the response but you didn't answer my questions.


How would you address Paul's statement in 2Corintians 3:7-11?


7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.


1) When Paul says lead to death, he was saying that when he (Paul) was introduced to the law, it brought forth death because the law made manifest his sin. He didn't know he was sinning until the law came to him. Once the law came it birthed forth death. When he was without the law he didn't realize he was dying in his sins. You've got to read ALL Romans and not just post little pieces of Romans. Hermeneutics, scripture interprets scripture.


Romans 7:7-14
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”[a] 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Law Cannot Save from Sin

13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Notice what he says? It was the law (that is good as he calls it) that revealed to him the sin that he was doing and the sin produced death. (see James 1:15 as well) you keep quoting these one liners of scriptures without referencing any other and then you seem to say "see, this is what allows us to throw out the commandments etched in stone." I am going to tell you now what God said, Jesus, and again what Paul said about the commandments. Now it's your choice to believe God and Jesus:

God:
Exodus 20:6

but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jesus:
Matthew 19:17

So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus:
John 14:15

“If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Jesus (again):
John 14:21

"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”


Jesus:
John 15:10

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."


Paul:
1 Corinthians 7:19

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."[yep, that was Paul saying that]

Other Scriptures:
1 John 2:3

[ The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24
[ The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [Satan's not going to make war with those who don't care about God, he already has them ensnare, he's making war with those who are fighting against him. you see, the ones who keep the commandments love God as we saw previously in the above scriptures, satan hates those who love God and keep His commandments]

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. [yep, these are the ones satan made war against]

I suppose its easier to try to give God a day, than give God our ALL...

Right, I agree with the point your making completely. we're to give Him our ALL not just a day. however, God rested on the Sabbath. I don't think it's wrong to rest on one day of the week =D that doesn't mean we forget God however.
 
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Now it's your choice to believe God and Jesus:

Christs [Gods] New Covenant commandment is love. (not the Mosaic Law)

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jn 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death.


1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1Jn 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
 
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God rested on the Sabbath. I don't think it's wrong to rest on one day of the week =D

And I dont think its wrong not to rest one day of the week. It is however wrong for anyone to tell others they must regard a day, as thier rest. Jesus Christ said I will give you rest, and He didnt hinge that promise on a day, He hinged it on faith.


Rom 14:1 Welcome those who are weak in faith, but do not argue with them about their personal opinions...
Rom 14:5 Some people think that a certain day is more important than other days, while others think that all days are the same. We each should firmly make up our own minds.

Heb 4:6 Those who first heard the Good News did not receive that rest, because they did not believe. There are, then, others who are allowed to receive it.
Heb 4:7 This is shown by the fact that God sets another day, which is called "Today." Many years later he spoke of it through David in the scripture already quoted: "If you hear God's voice today, do not be stubborn."
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had given the people the rest that God had promised, God would not have spoken later about another day.
Heb 4:9 As it is, however, there still remains for God's people a rest like God's resting on the seventh day.
Heb 4:10 For those who receive that rest which God promised will rest from their own work, just as God rested from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us, then, do our best to receive that rest, so that no one of us will fail as they did because of their lack of faith.
 
Deeper...the ten commandments only tell us what sin is...we must try to obey them as is required by scripture. Too many people get confused about what Paul said concerning the mosaic laws vs the 10 in stone. In Paul's day many christians were also confused and Paul was trying to explain how the mosaic laws were no longer needed, hence the tearing of the curtain in the temple signaling the end of the mosaic system. The 10 laws were always seperate from the mosaic, as they tell us what sin is, while the mosaic laws were about penalties for breaking one of the ten and also about worship and services. The 10 laws were then also established into the new covenant of which most don't want to believe. They some how think that the law no longer applies which is ludicris. God has always established laws with inteligent beings...including the angels...some sinned and were cast out of heaven. The laws only point out sin, and if you sin you will pay the penalty of death. James said ...if you break the least of these, you have broken them all...in the eyes of God. Will keeping them save you...NO. We are saved by grace...but grace does not remove them. They are our guide as to how we should build our characters so that we will be fit for eternity. When someone asks ...what is sin?...what are you going to show him...the 10 of course. When someone says we no longer are under the law, or they no longer apply, or they are somehow already fullfilled, or that Jesus nailed them to the cross, and many other excusses used to get rid o them, I ask them one question....Which commandments are we allowed to break???? Your friend in Jesus...Brian
 
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Everyday should be a sabbath Day! Jesus said "come unto me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest." We are no longer bound by the law. We are free to worship God in spirit and in truth.
 
Saturday or Sunday?

Wow! This is the first time I have become interested enough in a thread to follow it all the way. I thank all of you who have given very thoughtful and learned answers.

I confess that this question has bothered me for years. I have had various pastors give me answers that at least satisfied me at the time, but I've never seen so much actual Bible references to back up BOTH positions!

You have given me a lot to think about and a lot to pray about. Thank you very much for sharing.
 
bible 101?

That was kinda mean brother, you can hear the arrogance in your tone. It;s ok to disagree and discuss but lets do it with character. Now, Yes we are free from cerimonial law but not moral law which is the ten commandments. BUT!! as I stated before Christ wants us to rest in Him everyday. So everyday is the Sabbath
 
Sabbath

Hi I am new here, I was reading this verses that you had here. My understanding that II Corinthians 3:7-18, correct me if I am wrong, this is the convect of ceremonial of Sanctuary which have nothing to do with Sabbath. I mean could it be that this is the ceremonial law of cleansing sin which is now nail to the cross of our Lord Jesus. The ten commandment is not erased.
I know that Jesus kept the Sabbath Holy on Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. For my understanding, ceremonial of cleansing sin have nothing to do with the ten commandment.
Matthew 22: 37-40
Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." "This is the first and great commandment."
"And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." So when I look at the Ten Comments (Exodus 20:3-17) , the first four are all about verse 37,38 of Matthew and then from sixth to tenth of the Ten Commandment are about verse 39 of Matthew. This is one of the reason why I keep Sabbath (Saturday) Holy. I don't want to get anyone upset. I just want to share of what I found in the bible and from I understand. Please correct me if I am wrong or if I miss something. Just let you know I am a babe in Christ and I am learning each time.


2Corinthians 3:7-18
7*That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8*Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9*If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10*In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11*So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.
12*Since this new covenant gives us such confidence, we can be very bold. 13*We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory fading away. 14*But the people’s minds were hardened, and even to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, a veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15*Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16*But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, then the veil is taken away. 17*Now, the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, he gives freedom. 18 And all of us have had that veil removed so that we can be mirrors that brightly reflect* the glory of the Lord. And as the Spirit of the Lord works within us, we become more and more like him and reflect his glory even more.

Hebrews 8:1-13
1*Here is the main point: Our High Priest sat down in the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand. 2*There he ministers in the sacred tent, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands.
3*And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. 4*If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law of Moses. 5*They serve in a place of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the design I have shown you here on the mountain.”* 6*But our High Priest has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises.
7*If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8*But God himself found fault with the old one when he said:
“The day will come, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9* This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10* But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
so they will understand them,
and I will write them on their hearts
so they will obey them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11* And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
nor will they need to teach their family,
saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest,
will already know me.
12* And I will forgive their wrongdoings,
and I will never again remember their sins.”*
13*When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and ready to be put aside.

Galatians 3:1-5
1*Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ’s death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross. 2*Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ. 3*Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort? 4*You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
5*I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

Galatians 5:1-6
1*So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
2*Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you. 3*I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses. 4*For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
5*But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith. 6*For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Colossians 2:16&17
16*So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17*For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself.

Romans 7:1-6
1*Now, dear brothers and sisters*—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only to a person who is still living? 2*Let me illustrate. When a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. 3*So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
4*So this is the point: The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, you can produce good fruit, that is, good deeds for God. 5*When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6*But now we have been released from the law, for we died with Christ, and we are no longer captive to its power. Now we can really serve God, not in the old way by obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way, by the Spirit.

Romans 8:1-4
1*So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. 2*For the power* of the life-giving Spirit has freed you* through Christ Jesus from the power of sin that leads to death. 3*The law of Moses could not save us, because of our sinful nature. But God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours, except that ours are sinful. God destroyed sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. 4*He did this so that the requirement of the law would be fully accomplished for us* who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.

Hebrews 10:1-7
1*The old system in the law of Moses was only a shadow of the things to come, not the reality of the good things Christ has done for us. The sacrifices under the old system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2*If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
3*But just the opposite happened. Those yearly sacrifices reminded them of their sins year after year. 4*For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5*That is why Christ, when he came into the world, said,
“You did not want animal sacrifices and grain offerings.
But you have given me a body so that I may obey you.
6* No, you were not pleased with animals burned on the altar
or with other offerings for sin.
7* Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God—
just as it is written about me in the Scriptures.’”*
 
Hi I am new here, I was reading this verses that you had here. My understanding that II Corinthians 3:7-18, correct me if I am wrong, this is the convect of ceremonial of Sanctuary which have nothing to do with Sabbath. I mean could it be that this is the ceremonial law of cleansing sin which is now nail to the cross of our Lord Jesus. The ten commandment is not erased.
I know that Jesus kept the Sabbath Holy on Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. For my understanding, ceremonial of cleansing sin have nothing to do with the ten commandment.
Matthew 22: 37-40
Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." "This is the first and great commandment."
"And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." So when I look at the Ten Comments (Exodus 20:3-17) , the first four are all about verse 37,38 of Matthew and then from sixth to tenth of the Ten Commandment are about verse 39 of Matthew. This is one of the reason why I keep Sabbath (Saturday) Holy. I don't want to get anyone upset. I just want to share of what I found in the bible and from I understand. Please correct me if I am wrong or if I miss something. Just let you know I am a babe in Christ and I am learning each time.

Hi Pammie, what part of the law was written into stone?
 
Jiggyfly-Sabbath

Hmmm, I am not sure I know what you mean...But as what part of the law was written into the stone..It will be Ten Commandment Exodus 20:3-17..the 4th commandment tell you to keep Sabbath Holy which is verse Exodus 20:8-11....Is that what you mean...I hope you had read the message that I send to you personally..If not, I just want to let you know that I am deaf and babe in Christ and I want to learn more and understand it right. Sometime I need help...I don't understand very good and that why I type to say what I think I understand and hoping that someone is willing to help and teach me. God sent the Holy Spirit to me as show me this website which I have been praying for some helps and guide even I have to studies the bible and take God's words...
Thank for your patience and understanding


Hi Pammie, what part of the law was written into stone?
 
That's right the ten commandments were the part of the law that was written in stone.

So now reread 2Cor.3:7-18, Galatians 3:1-5, Galatians 5:1-6, Romans chapters 7&8, Hebrews chapters 8&10 and Colossians chapter 2
 
The Sabath is really Jewish and is on Saturday.
Christians meet together on Sunday because that is the example given in the Bible.
I don't beleive any one day is holier then another. And the New testement laws out way the old testement laws. So while the Ten comandments are connected to the new testement there are also important additions and more specific guidlines given in the sermon on the mount. Matthew chapters 5-7
 
The Question is ? Are we under the Law or not?
The Question is ?Are there different laws under Christ Jesus or not?

And if there was a Change in the LAWs When did it occur ?



;Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.



Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well.

Many Refuse to live under FAITH


Many churches want to be able to depend on tithing or workers feeling they are gaining Salvation by there Labor!


If we love the LORD JESUS CHRIST?
Will not want to do evil .
and the LAWS of LOVE and Faith ?Will not allow us to hurt others or steal or lie or cheat !
 
The Sabath is really Jewish and is on Saturday.
Christians meet together on Sunday because that is the example given in the Bible.
I don't beleive any one day is holier then another. And the New testement laws out way the old testement laws. So while the Ten comandments are connected to the new testement there are also important additions and more specific guidlines given in the sermon on the mount. Matthew chapters 5-7

Sabbath is jewish? It was made before there were ever any jews. If you look at your calendar, notice the 7th day of the week...its not sunday. The 7 day week was made by God for sabbath observance...Interesting that this 7 day week is still with us. It follows no celestial measurement. No scripture makes sunday(one of the 6 work days) a holy day. Sabbath is the only day that is blessed and made holy by God. The commandment starts with "remember", God knew we might forget. Only in america is this a problem. A recent pole on this site showed a majority of people world wide agree Saturday is the TRUE Sabbath. And most of those people knew that the catholic church(I love catholics), changed the day to sunday. So, who are you really paying homage too for keeping sunday? The catholic church has publish articles over the years claiming that protestants pay homage to the mother church for keeping sunday. Is keeping sunday a sin...NO of course not. But don't demean those who keep sabbath. We are not evil people. We love our Lord like you do and we honour His calling...If you love me, keep my commandments.(Jn 14:15). The REAL question should be this....Do you think you can get into heaven, if you break, even the least of the commandments??? Think about it. Your brother in Christ...Brian PS..Paul Washer was hinting in his sermon...we need to RETURN to commandment keeping. Even though we are saved by grace. But grace does not eliminate trying to keep the law.
 
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the sabbath has not been done away with after all we still have a 7 day week that ends on saturday as we know it , sabbath in the midle eastern countries .
this is one form of sabbath meaning the physical day .
the other that personally ive come to understand is our " day of rest " ( shabbot / sabbath ) this comes for believers in one wawy and that is in our LORD JESUS . now for the customs / traditions hmm if the sabbath is nolonger the allocated day of worship why then are we told that in heaven the temple will only be open on new moons and sabbaths ?
then again the LORD JESUS said if one man hold a day unto the lord let him if other holds it as everyday let him also hold it unto the LORD .
perha[ps this confusion over the sabbath is because at the bottom of all learning man really dosent understand the " GRACE " that we have to be able to observe the commandments GOD has etched into our hearts .
bless you
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Sabbath is jewish? It was made before there were ever any jews. If you look at your calendar, notice the 7th day of the week...its not sunday. The 7 day week was made by God for sabbath observance...Interesting that this 7 day week is still with us. It follows no celestial measurement. No scripture makes sunday(one of the 6 work days) a holy day. Sabbath is the only day that is blessed and made holy by God. The commandment starts with "remember", God knew we might forget. Only in america is this a problem. A recent pole on this site showed a majority of people world wide agree Saturday is the TRUE Sabbath. And most of those people knew that the catholic church(I love catholics), changed the day to sunday. So, who are you really paying homage too for keeping sunday? The catholic church has publish articles over the years claiming that protestants pay homage to the mother church for keeping sunday. Is keeping sunday a sin...NO of course not. But don't demean those who keep sabbath. We are not evil people. We love our Lord like you do and we honour His calling...If you love me, keep my commandments.(Jn 14:15). The REAL question should be this....Do you think you can get into heaven, if you break, even the least of the commandments??? Think about it. Your brother in Christ...Brian PS..Paul Washer was hinting in his sermon...we need to RETURN to commandment keeping. Even though we are saved by grace. But grace does not eliminate trying to keep the law.

I agree with you Brian about the sabbath being the seventh day but it was just a shadow of Christ Jesus which Father has now revealed to us in His new covenant. Everything points to Jesus if anything concerning the Law or any other part of the old covenant was not completely fulfilled then Jesus failed to do what Father sent Him to do. Jesus fulfilled all the Law perfectly demonstrating that He is righteous and pure thus making Himself a worthy sacrifice for the worlds sins.

The old covenant including the law was a contract or agreement between God and the people of Israel and Christ completely satisfied that contract. If you pay off your loan at the bank do you continue to make payments? No that would be foolish wouldn't it.

Galatians 4:22-31
21*Listen to me, you who want to live under the law. Do you know what the law really says? 22*The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave-wife and one from his freeborn wife.* 23*The son of the slave-wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
24*Now these two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. Hagar, the slave-wife, represents Mount Sinai where people first became enslaved to the law. 25 And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery. 26*But Sarah, the free woman, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. And she is our mother. 27*That is what Isaiah meant when he prophesied,
“Rejoice, O childless woman!
Break forth into loud and joyful song,
even though you never gave birth to a child.
For the woman who could bear no children
now has more than all the other women!”*
28*And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. 29*And we who are born of the Holy Spirit are persecuted by those who want us to keep the law, just as Isaac, the child of promise, was persecuted by Ishmael, the son of the slave-wife.
30*But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the family inheritance with the free woman’s son.”* 31*So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, obligated to the law. We are children of the free woman, acceptable to God because of our faith.

I think Paul was very clear here, don't you?
 
Amen. The Old Testament was but a type and shadow of Christ. Jesus Christ is my Sabbath rest. In Him I my fleshly works of must cease , in Him I must draw close in worship , in Him I find rest, peace ,union and communion with the Father and that in perpetuity.
In the end we must walk with our God with a clean conscience and not violate our hearts toward Him.


Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
 
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