The Sabbath

[rizen1]

I think you took my post as a personal attack to your previous post.

Do you think your sins are less grievous to God than theirs

In my post I did state non is righteous, so I'm not sure where that statement is coming from. I dont exclude myself for the bible says Non is rightoeus.

It was very easy to pick on that simple part of my post and ignore the latter.

But what about the main topic of my post, which is how we use the gift.

Are you saying its ok for us to abuse the gift of salvation., You completely missed the point of my post and me agreeing with you that " Salvation is Forever "

Even thought I didnt word it to your likings, its still a agreement. I'm not iliterate to who Christ died for, he did come for sinners, who else could he come for if non is righteous.

 

[rizen1]

Brother cb6mustang5

I hope you are being filled and receiving all the answers you need. I see the topic has changed a couple of times, but I'm sure everyone has been a great help to you.

God bless.

 

[rizen1]

God bless you lettheredeemed
If I took your post the wrong way, I to I'm here to learn.

God bless healthy exchange is always good.

 

[lettheredeemed]

I think you took my post as a personal attack to your previous post.



In my post I did state non is righteous, so I'm not sure where that statement is coming from. I dont exclude myself for the bible says Non is rightoeus.

It was very easy to pick on that simple part of my post and ignore the latter.

But what about the main topic of my post, which is how we use the gift.

Are you saying its ok for us to abuse the gift of salvation., You completely missed the point of my post and me agreeing with you that " Salvation is Forever "

Even thought I didnt word it to your likings, its still a agreement. I'm not iliterate to who Christ died for, he did come for sinners, who else could he come for if non is righteous.

Oh my, I don't understand why you thought I took your post as a personal attack??? I never ever said that it is ok to abuse the gift of salvation. Scripture never advocates that. But I do know what the Bible teaches. In the quote you cited I was replying to this comment," Can "onced" Saved Christians who become pedophiles, prostitutes and murders all sleep well tonight, if they die tomorrow unrepentive ?" I have not said anything about your wording. It is clear that you are the one that feels attacked. Please accept my humble apology if you feel that I have attacked you. I am very passionate about sharing God's Word.

 

[cb6mustang5]

I did get my answers, but in part of doing the research myself. I thank everyone for their opinions on this subject.

God Bless

 

[rizen1]

Oh thats great to hear.

God bless brother

 

[lettheredeemed]

I believe we are to follow the ten commandments fully, not just nine of them. Romans 3:31 helps me out alot. I am so confused as why the Sabbath has been changed and by what authority it was done. I am not Seventh-Day Aventist, but I do believe this is an important issue. Sunday laws are in the working as we speak, and by believing that the Sabbath is Saturday, I don't think this change is of God. This among other things are going to be deeply prayed over. I trust in Jesus fully and I know I need to keep from sin, but this issue is sitting on my heart, and clarification is needed.

Thank you everyone for your help on this subject,
God Bless

For the Jews Sabbath is a very important issue. For the NT christians we worship on the first day of the week in commemoration of the resurrection. It may be that the change took place when God extended the plan of salvation to the gentiles.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Though I agree with lettheredeemed's assessment, I doubt that God cares all that much about which day of the week modern day Christians use to celebrate the day of rest and refreshing in the Lord that is the Sabbath.

I've a question for those who disagree with me on this: Your pastors work on the Sabbath; what day of the week do they use for rest and refreshing in the Lord?


SLE

 

[lettheredeemed]

I was meditating on this topic this morning and the thought occurred to me one reason for the possible change for the transition from the sabbath to the Lord's Day is because God no longer dwells between the cheribums in the holy of holies. A temple not made with hands. What do you think?

 

[jiggyfly]

I was meditating on this topic this morning and the thought occurred to me one reason for the possible change for the transition from the sabbath to the Lord's Day is because God no longer dwells between the cheribums in the holy of holies. A temple not made with hands. What do you think?

The fact that God no longer dwells in a temple made with human hands should discredit the teaching of any obligation to participate in any religious liturgy on any specific day of the week at any specific location.

 

[lettheredeemed]

The fact that God no longer dwells in a temple made with human hands should discredit the teaching of any obligation to participate in any religious liturgy on any specific day of the week at any specific location.

jiggyfly, would you be so kind as to show me where does it teach this obligation? The NT church lives a life of worship. We present ourselves a living sacrifice daily. It was the pharisees that were that were hung up on feasts and observance of days. They even tried to trap Jesus all the time by accusing him of sinning on the sabbath ect.

 

[jiggyfly]

jiggyfly, would you be so kind as to show me where does it teach this obligation? The NT church lives a life of worship. We present ourselves a living sacrifice daily. It was the pharisees that were that were hung up on feasts and observance of days. They even tried to trap Jesus all the time by accusing him of sinning on the sabbath ect.

The Sabbath keepers teach it, some teach that it is on Saturday and others on Sunday.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

jiggyfly, would you be so kind as to show me where does it teach this obligation? The NT church lives a life of worship. We present ourselves a living sacrifice daily. It was the pharisees that were that were hung up on feasts and observance of days. They even tried to trap Jesus all the time by accusing him of sinning on the sabbath ect.

I think that Jiggyfly's point is that the New estament does NOT dictate such things. Such denominational edicts come from men, not from God.

SLE

 

[tooth and nail]

Well, I voted for Sunday, that's when most Reforms call "the Sabbath", but I have always been intrigued by the Christians that stuck to Saturday - they do have some compelling arguments, but the Sunday does "go" with the new covenant.

 

[Richie]

I have actually voted for Sunday.

But I say, no matter whether it is saturday or sunday, we need to keep every day holy, and we need to dedicate every day to the Lord.

But there are people who create arguments saying that Saturday is the sabbath day, there are people who even say that those who dedicate the Sabbath on Sunday will go to hell.

They are not only creating confusion but they are disturbing the unity in the body of Christ.

1 Timothy 1:4: Don’t let people waste time in endless speculation over myths and spiritual pedigrees. For these things only cause arguments; they don’t help people live a life of faith in God.

Titus 3:9: Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These kinds of things are useless and a waste of time.

So it is better not to get our mind confused on whether the sabbath is on saturday or sunday, but we have to dedicate every day to the Lord.

God bless you.

 

[redfox]

This is what I *think*

God gave us six days to work and one day to rest. That means that in obedience to God we should do that.

I do not think that the days of the week matter. Because they are ultimately cultural and human constructs and nothing to do with God.

I believe it is important to keep the Sabbath as per the 10 commandments and so in context with the western world culture I keep it on a Sunday.

If I lived in the middle east I would keep it on a Friday (they go to church on fridays there)

If I lived in Israel I would keep it on a Saturday.

I live in England and so I keep it on a Sunday. (I have to work on Saturdays...)

I think that it is important to Contextualise the gospel whilst maintaining every single doctrinal truth. "I have become all things to all men" says Paul... We have to be adaptable culturally whilst being very focused on Jesus and his sovereignty in it all.

What d'ya think??

Love to you all, Jack

 

[spirit1st]

the sabbath was saturday.
But we are not under the laws here any more ONCE WE GIVE ourselves to JESUS CHRIST 100%.

The LAW was to bring us to the LORD!

We are NO longer counted as part of this world otr it rules!

We are under our NEW home lands rules and LAWS

These laws were before mankind was ever Created!

The LAW of LOVE and the LAW of FAITH


These laws will Cover all other laws 100%


Out of LOVe we will not hurt or take anything from others!


Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


This SCRIPTURE tells us ? The NEW TESTAMENT did not beging ,until Our LORD died and became the NEW TESTAMENT. Many changes took place after HID DEATH.
He said many things that were for the time period HE lived in , Which was the old testament and other things for the time after HIS DEATH.

This is VERY hard it appears for many to see and understand.
Even the the disciples had a big arguement over this!

GOD having to send Paul to get them to do differently ,than the LORD had told them , about the gentiles.


JESUS had told them ,with HIS own mouth to Not go to the gentiles .
Now after DEATH ,HIS words were changed!



Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,


Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Jas 2:8 If ye fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

So we see ?there are two laws moses law and the LORDS LAW.

We live under our LORDS LAW!

The point being?
It is our reasons why we do things. We do them as unto the LORD though LOVE or we do them under force.

The laws were force
the law of JESUS CHRIST is out of LOVE!


They both will serve the same purpose as far as being kind to others. but one bring DEATH 100% the other bring life 100% .



Everyone under the law dies 100%


Every one BORN OF GOD [LOVE] lives 100%


Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The bonds woman are those trying to live under the law.

the FREE are those living under the laws of FAITH and LOVE!


We are judged ,but by the law of liberty!

liberty does not allow us to sin freely.
sinning bring death 100%
But not to our spirit. But to our flesh.Many die before there time ,.because of sin.


Many sicknesses come from sin.

God has provided for forgiveness and healing,if we obey.
but we must really repent and obey HIM.


Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


THE LAW of REAPING and SOWING is still in affect!
not toward our Spirit, but toward our flesh!

Our Spirit once we give ourselves to HIm, is protected eternally by HIm.
HE has NEVER lost any of HIS children ,NOT ONE!


Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.




Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[jenwat3]

I have actually voted for Sunday.

But I say, no matter whether it is saturday or sunday, we need to keep every day holy, and we need to dedicate every day to the Lord.

But there are people who create arguments saying that Saturday is the sabbath day, there are people who even say that those who dedicate the Sabbath on Sunday will go to hell.

They are not only creating confusion but they are disturbing the unity in the body of Christ.

1 Timothy 1:4: Don’t let people waste time in endless speculation over myths and spiritual pedigrees. For these things only cause arguments; they don’t help people live a life of faith in God.

Titus 3:9: 9 Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These kinds of things are useless and a waste of time.

So it is better not to get our mind confused on whether the sabbath is on saturday or sunday, but we have to dedicate every day to the Lord.

God bless you.

My apologies here, I am new to this forum. No one can make any day holy except for God. The day that He designated as the Sabbath is Saturday, or the seventh day. Who are we to change the day He designated? Did He ever say "I created the seventh day as holy, but you can change it to whatever day you wish"?

I wanted to reply to Chad also, in the difference between willing sin and willful sin. Any sin commited is willing sin. The difference between the two is that to sin willfully means that you have no desire to repent. When one sins willfully, they know they are doing wrong, they simply don't care! They no longer recieve the feelings of "uh-oh, I sinned" anymore. When one gets to this point, they are truly lost, for good. This is the difference between willing sin and willful sin.

 

[Chad]

My apologies here, I am new to this forum. No one can make any day holy except for God. The day that He designated as the Sabbath is Saturday, or the seventh day. Who are we to change the day He designated? Did He ever say "I created the seventh day as holy, but you can change it to whatever day you wish"?

I wanted to reply to Chad also, in the difference between willing sin and willful sin. Any sin commited is willing sin. The difference between the two is that to sin willfully means that you have no desire to repent. When one sins willfully, they know they are doing wrong, they simply don't care! They no longer recieve the feelings of "uh-oh, I sinned" anymore. When one gets to this point, they are truly lost, for good. This is the difference between willing sin and willful sin.

This makes no sense whatsoever, and I don't know what doctrine you take this from. Sin is sin. There is no such thing as any sin but the kind you WILLFULLY do. We have free will to do right (be godly) or wrong (sin willfully). There is no two versions of how we sin.

There may be sins we committed unknowingly which we must ask the Holy Spirit in prayer to reveal those to us so we can resolve them, confess them and move on. That's totally different from sins we are clearly aware of. For example, if someone who is newly saved in Christ and just started reading the Word, did not have Scriptural knowledge that staring at a woman lustfully is sinful, they will not know that until they read the Word and receive the truth. Not the greatest example, but you get the point.

However, sin is sin and there is only one kind of sin - the ones we do willfully.

 

[Brian]

but the sabbath was made before their were jews.....and did , or did not Jesus set for us the example of how we should walk??? And you should look at history....the sabbath was kept by all christians until about 360 years after Christ. You say there is no command for sabbath in the N.T.....well their is no command to keep sunday.