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The Trinity - True or False

Do you Believe the Trinity


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What in the world are you talking about? I believe in the Trinity. Im sitting here defending the faith against those who do not believe the Trinity. Apparently youre more than a little confused and apparently Im in the wrong place. My "Theory" ? lol. What in the world are you talking about? Im defending Christianity. People say Jesus couldnt have been God becuase He was killed. Im showing the absurdity of that argument. There is no personal theory at stake here. We both voted yes to this question. Do you have problems interpreting literature? Im not trying to talk down to you I just dont understand the way your comng at me here.
 
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poor Gaius, i see way too much criticism in this website and not enough care and concern for others. I see more of trying to prove things right then to try to help others understand certain things they may be confused on. I see people judging others instead of themselfs. Why do you take a persons message word for word other than trying to understanding what he means? Isnt that what we do with the bible? If you honestly think that 7 angles are literly going to blow 7 trumpets in the ends of days then you are very mislead. How do you know if people on this site have talked with God and recieved certain answers? Thats how the bible was written, for God spoke to people but not in words, and they thus interpeted it in their own way to write. If i were any of you whom may be resembled by my words above, reconsider your aims and goals on this site. It is to spread the love and joy of God and to help people whom are mislead, not ban them for not knowing the truth. God Bless you all, for we all need it including myself.:love:
 
Well said CrazyForChrist. :love:

Up until recently (today) I have avoided posting here, because I felt I would be banned too for putting up my beliefs.

Some of you already know that I don't believe in this word Trinity, coz I have already posted here, but I do believe in the Father, the Son of God (Jesus Christ as my saviour) and the Holy Spirit. I just don't believe in this 3 in one God, I believe they are all separate.

One question which I asked the people that are in my cell group, who also believe in the trinity, was this question:

Is Jesus the Almighty Father?

And they all agreed, no he wasn't the Father, so I think then, why has this trinity thing caused so much problems amongst people then. Maybe someone else can explain.

Another question, how come I speak in tongues and don't believe in this word trinity, (3 in 1 God) whereby when someone who does believe in the word trinity, can also speak in tongues? This has baffled me for a few weeks now. Can anyone answer that one for me please?

Now I am not here to put up any false doctrines, I am genuinely asking and saying this with a good heart.
 
Crazy for Christ and Word of Life....I don't need your criticism at all. If you think its so easy to run a Christian forum then please go ahead and open your own and be in charge of 7,000 members then come back and explain to me how wonderful you are doing. People who come here refusing Truth that was provided to them and explained to them, then they continue to post unbiblical teachings will get banned. Would you be excited about your pastor preaching unbiblical things in your church building? I would not and I hold responsibility here, so your opinions means nothing in the end because GOD is higher above all and I abide by what the Father says.

People do not get banned without a reason and neither do you know the absolute reason they would get banned, neither are you to interfere in others' business. Clearly you know nothing but only criticize. What a shame. Pride or just too much confidence in assuming you could do a great job pruning those who come here to purposely deceive? You know nothing at all so do not speak of what you do not know. Its easy to sit on your rear passing criticism to others. What are you doing for GOD? Let's criticize your actions as well and see how much you enjoy such negative comments.

Gauis was not banned. However, he comes here on his first few posts to say "Christ did not die", then tries to explain himself. If Christ did not die, then we're all fooled aren't we? Gauis then finishes his last post (now deleted) by saying "what a horrible place this is" and yet he's been here for less than one week. Is this love? I think not. Nothing was said to him that was insulting, yet he responded in hate and ungratefulness. Good riddance to him. Do we sit around and say he must be 'confused' or do you rebuke those who try to deceive and preach garbage? How long have you been around the forums? I've started it and been here for 4 years. I know these things by now through GOD's guidance and experience.

WORD OF LIFE said:
"I just don't believe in this 3 in one God, I believe they are all separate."

That means you must believe there are 3 GODs. That is exactly how you worded it. There are only two ways to believe. 3 in 1 or 3 GODs. Was the Scripture posted not enough by now? Its not about the word trinity or triune. Its simply about the facts that there is one GOD made of 3 persons. We don't need to give it names anyway, but the truth be told.

poor Gaius, i see way too much criticism in this website and not enough care and concern for others.
Then why are you here? You see what you want, others see a well disciplined forum and that you do not necessarily see because they are not pm's or emails sent to you. Please, pm me all the "criticism" so I can learn from you. You seem to be well gifted in criticizing yourself.

How do you know if people on this site have talked with God and recieved certain answers? Thats how the bible was written, for God spoke to people but not in words, and they thus interpeted it in their own way to write.

Their own way? No, they were guided by the Holy Spirit. They wrote what the Holy Spirit told them to write. Therefore, that is not their "own way". If something does not line up with Scripture (GOD's Word = speaking to us) then it is not from GOD at all. This has nothing to do with GOD speaking audibly or not. However GOD speaks, He speaks precisely.
 
Please pardon me Chad if that is what you see comming from me. It is not my intention. You said "you seem to be well gifted in criticizing yourself." but im not hear to criticize and that is exactly why i have mentioned no such names, for we are all guility of it. The purpose of this site is to inform others and spread the love, not to support our own pride and that was the only point i was trying to make. I also take great offense from you for judging me.


Hugs always not matter what, Love
 
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I believe in Trinity..

Father is Love itself...Jesus is Loved.....Holy Spirit is loving...Love...Loved...Loving..God so loved the world that He gave His only son...Jesus so loved us that He gave us His own life in the Holy Spirit...:love: :love: :love:
 
Read also Romans 1 : 1-4..

St. Paul begins his letter to the Romans in the name of the Trinity...so what more you need to understand..:love: :love: :love:
 
Exactly, maciek, the Bible's loaded with references to the trinity.

I'd thought only Mormons and Jehovah Witnessess were non-trinitarianists, but there seems to be others that are. I don't really get this modalism viewpoint much.
 
God's word is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I too believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.


...Jesus so loved us that He gave us His own life in the Holy Spirit...:love: :love: :love:

Maciek,
can you please elavorate a bit on your last section of your post. Thanks!
 
Re: The Trinity - True or False?

Three distinct Persons in one God is not a difficult concept to picture. Look at one of our most popular food items - the egg: it consists of an egg shell, an egg white, and an egg yolk - three separate and distinct entities combined in another entity. Its a concept familiar to us all.

SLE
 
There are many passages in the Bible that show that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are persons distinct from one another. So also are there many passages which show that each is God.

In Scripture they all share the same attributes, are involved in the same works, take council together, share the same Divine Names, and are worshiped. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are Bible names given to each of the persons as distinct from one and other.

A father has a distinct meaning as opposed to a son, and because "holy" means separated and "spirit" means breath, a separated breath has a distinct meaning from breathers (father and son). The idea of progenitor is unique to father. The idea of begotten (generated) is unique to son. The idea separation by breathing is unique to the separated spirit.

Separation and begotten are terms that not only show a distinct state, but also point to a manor of origin for that state. To the Father belong the notions or ideas of generator begetter, generator breather, and as distinct from the others un-begotten and un-breathed.
To the Son belong the notions of separation from the father by generation, breather of the separated breath, and as distinct from the others begotten yet un-breathed.
To the Holy Spirit belong the ideas of separation by aspiration from the Father through the Son and as distinct from the others breathed yet un-begotten.

God, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, has no beginning in time which is a created property of the physical universe. Rather these triune relationships are eternal and simply are what God, the one and only God, is eternally as I am that I am without beginning or end.

Father has no distinct meaning without progeny; thus Son, though begotten of the father, is never-the-less, as equally eternal as father. A breath, furthermore, implies a breather, thus making separated breath as essential for the breathers as father is to son and son is to father. There is no time or situation when father, son, or separated breath could not all simultaneously exist and still the terms have meaning. All these terms presuppose the others in order to have their unique meanings. This is why God gives them to us in the Bible in revelation of his Tri-personal being.

The Bible is also abundantly clear that there is only one God, not three gods and that each person is the one God. Each person is not a fraction of God, but all God.

The Father is all God; the only things he is not are the Son and Holy Spirit. The Son is all God; the only things he is not are the Father and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is all God; the only things he is not are the Father and the Son.

This is no contradiction, for the Bible does not say one person existing in three persons or one god existing in three gods, but three Persons in one God and one God in three Persons. Logically, triune-persons are thus distinguished from essential substance.

Mankind understands persons because we are one. Made in His image we are persons. Our ego or self is an indivisible whole, it is our essential substance. We have, however a physical body, a rational moral soul, and a spirit.

Our one person is not divided up into these properties; it exists wholly simultaneously in these properties. The Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit, and I know God. I say something dumb, and I know embarrassment. I hit my thumbnail with a hammer, and I know bodily pain.

I exist simultaneously without division in each property; it is the one self, person, knowing each time. This is not a contradiction, for man is not one in the same way he is three nor three in the same way he is one. There is a distinction between essential self and triune-substances.

To conclude, the Bible uses terms for three persons who are each the one God. The terms are descriptive of personal relationships that define the uniqueness of each person in such a way that they must simultaneously exist in personal relation to each of the others in order to be what they are.

God is one essential substance existing without division in three distinct persons, showing us there is a distinction between person and substance. We see this again in man. But man is one essential person existing without division in three distinct substances.

If we can distinguish between person and substance, and count to three, then there ought to be no problem with the notion of Trinity, accept unbelief to begin with. View this as a simple meditation upon the three words used in the Bible to name the three persons that God is. The simpler it is thought through the more obvious trinity becomes.

http://www.talkjesus.com/church-sermons/10903-holy-trinity.html

In His Love
 
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The main reasons I believe in the deity of Christ:

1) Jesus is our creator
Isaiah 45:18 - For this is what the LORD says - he who created the heavens, he is God.
John 1:3 - Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

2) Jesus was not created
John 1:3 - Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

3) Jesus is to be worshiped
Luke 4:8 - Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "
Matthew 28:16-17 - Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Clearly the apostles understood the diety of Jesus. Jesus never once rebuked anyone for worshiping him. If Jesus was not God all the apostles would clearly be comiting idolatry. If Jesus condoned idolatry he would be committing sin and would not be the perfect sacrifice for us.

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Here is something else to think about. If one of us, by some miracle of God, were able to live a sinless life. Would our blood be enough to cover all humanity for all time. Beyond Jesus' perfect life here on earth is the fullness of God. We have a big God who's blood is enough for you and me.

Philippians 2:5-11- Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

sheep
 
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Re: The Trinity

As to your assertion that Jesus was not created: This assertion is inaccurate

As God, the second person of the Trinity, Jesus was not/could not be created. But, as man, he was created - not in the sense of being conceived through an act of carnal sexual intercourse, but by the power of the Holy Spirit.

"'How will this be,' Mary asked the angel, 'since I am a virgin?' The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.'" (Lk 1:34-35)

Mary went through the same kinds of pregnancy discomfort and birth pains our mothers suffered because Jesus is human as well as God.


SLE
 
15 people voted that they do not believe in the Trinity. I'm not surprised, but saddened. Its just amazing that the Truth in the Word is right in front of your own eyes with so much *straightforward* proof of the Trinity, yet these 15 particular people do not believe. I'm baffled really. If one reads the Word, they would clearly believe. What is this book you read that you do not believe? Who do you pray to, if you do pray?

Its a shame that those who deny the Trinity, yet they call Jesus Son of GOD.
 
15 people voted that they do not believe in the Trinity. I'm not surprised, but saddened. Its just amazing that the Truth in the Word is right in front of your own eyes with so much *straightforward* proof of the Trinity, yet these 15 particular people do not believe. I'm baffled really. If one reads the Word, they would clearly believe. What is this book you read that you do not believe? Who do you pray to, if you do pray?

Its a shame that those who deny the Trinity, yet they call Jesus Son of GOD.

Ain't this just amazing, what you are saying is just what is happening in the world today. One can only pray that the Spirit will work and make them understand the Godhead for their own salvation.
 
I must say I think it strange that there are so many who do not believe in the trinity as the Bible is God's love letter to us.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Then again some religions do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God. They would be in the category of those who do not believe in the 3in1. Sad but true.


God bless :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
At His Baptism...

(Mat 3:13 RV) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John would have hindered him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? But Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffereth him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.(Matt:13-17)

Sorry, I did not read everyone's comments yet so if this is redundant then I apologize. Just a couple of notes to add: no place in the Scriptures do we see the word "trinity" used. However, there are some hints. For example, why does John the Baptist object to baptising Jesus--do we not all have equal standing before God? I believe it was because Jesus was without sin--the only sinless person ever born.

Also, God is present in the trinity right at that baptism: the Holy Spirit is there descending upon Him like a Dove; the Father's voice is saying, "This is My beloved Son...".

It has always been a difficult concept for man's mind to grasp. But it should not be surprising that God is more than we can understand.

InChrist
Fitzman
 
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