You seem to be confusing temptation with sin.
One is to be refused, and the other bears a very great penalty.
What is 'Perfect' or 'Perfection'?
One is to be refused, and the other bears a very great penalty.
No.
You were tempted and resisted.
That is a win!
Had you sat there mulling over several different ways to "make her yours" it would have been adultery in your heart.
from James Chapter 1
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
From 1Peter Chapter 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in Whom, though now ye see Him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in Whom, though now ye see Him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
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Please show me what I said that indicates that!
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As usual, you are evading the point...The Devil tempted Jesus, Jesus wasn't tempted by the Devil! Matthew 4:1......"to be tempted by the Devil"!
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that makes all the difference in the world thank Brother for helping me understand something I had been struggling to understand for a while now !! I always wondered how in the world Jesus could be tempted by something that I would thought he had no desire for in the first place but I was not understanding what was written until I just read this you have no Idea how happy I am to see this light. God Bless you BOA
Greetings,
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Romans 6:19
Perhaps it would be better put that the Devil attempted to tempt Jesus?
What if we go back to Adam who knew no sin and surely was not interested in the fruit that he was not allowed to eat?
Adam was made good and did not have an inbuilt sinful nature.
He wasn't eve-n tempted by the serpent.
So www? what went wrong?
He listened to the woman (Genesis 3:17) his wife
And unto Adam He said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
but, the woman was tempted... Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
or was the woman only deceived?
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Timothy 2:14
whichever way you want to cut it, Jesus had temptation in His face direct from the Devil. He did not yield Himself and therefore all Who He was (and Is) to the temptation.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Romans 6:13
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 6:16
The real problem is about disobeying God's word to get what you want; rebellion.
Note that Jesus quoted God's word. He did not disobey and therefore did not sin.
Temptation can lure us to ignore and disobey God if we yield to it.
Bless you ....><>
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Romans 6:19
Perhaps it would be better put that the Devil attempted to tempt Jesus?
What if we go back to Adam who knew no sin and surely was not interested in the fruit that he was not allowed to eat?
Adam was made good and did not have an inbuilt sinful nature.
He wasn't eve-n tempted by the serpent.
So www? what went wrong?
He listened to the woman (Genesis 3:17) his wife
And unto Adam He said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
but, the woman was tempted... Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
or was the woman only deceived?
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Timothy 2:14
whichever way you want to cut it, Jesus had temptation in His face direct from the Devil. He did not yield Himself and therefore all Who He was (and Is) to the temptation.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Romans 6:13
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 6:16
The real problem is about disobeying God's word to get what you want; rebellion.
Note that Jesus quoted God's word. He did not disobey and therefore did not sin.
Temptation can lure us to ignore and disobey God if we yield to it.
Bless you ....><>
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Glad for you! I know what it is like to be enlightened on a verse that you have struggled with in the past. It has happened to me many times and I have learned the following:
- Trust the knowledge and truth that you already have.
- Knowing God spiritually, a verse can not have a negative outcome. Pray and figure out the best positive outcome you can and go with it, until the real truth is revealed.....may be what you have already summarized, the outcome must always be good and positive with in God's realm. A definition of tempted ...is to be "enticed", interested in doing something!. If Jesus was truly enticed, he would have not been the perfect, unblemished Lamb of God and we would be in trouble!
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That would be incorrect.
Heb 4:14; Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
Heb 4:15; For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
Jesus was tempted.
Luke 4:13; When the devil had finished every temptation, he left Him until an opportune time.
Heb 2:18; For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Heb 5:8; Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
The Bible says God (Jesus) learned something from becoming human.
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- If you take the verse literally from a human secular position, possibly. But from a spiritual perspective, it would be something entirely different!
- Webster's definition of tempted is: have an urge or inclination to do something
- Do you honestly think that of all the temptations Satin dished up that Jesus, even once, was enticed?!
- He was the perfect Lamb of God and being readied for sacrifice, he would not have been urged, inclined or entice by the Devil!
- You said that being tempted but doing it was not a sin. Don't forget that Jesus taught that what was in the heart was as bad as doing it!
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Jesus was perfect from the start with the Spirit and with the Word. He worked from there and never failed. He did nothing to make him imperfect. When I say incomplete, I mean that he had not yet at the start of his course experienced what men experience, what you and I have experienced. When he had experienced it all then he was not only still perfect but also complete in his experience as a man.
"The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work." John 5:15-17
"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work." John 9:4
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- Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted the devil.
- To be tempted by the Devil,,,NOT , that he was tempted!"
.Is that a defense for Jesus ?
Are you intimating that Jesus had no lusts?
James wrote..."But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed" (James 1:14)
The devil used what was in Jesus to try to get Him to sin, including a want of power, protection, and sustenance.
Jesus needs no after the fact defense, as He showed by His refusal to submit to the devil.
Being tempted is not a sign of imperfection, but it is a sign of the devil's desperation to drag one into darkness.
You are playing with semantics.
I think not, as I don't think Jesus' nature was sinful...especially after receiving the Holy Ghost after baptism.
The devil will prey on old memories though, in his attempts to lure us away from Godliness.
Good topic for a new thread.
What would we be tempted with?
No banks to rob.
No marriages to break up.
No drugs to use.
God provides all our needs.
What evil lusts could you have in heaven while you stand in front of the Father?
You don't think that food was enticing after a forty day fast?
Hebrews 7:7-9 validates your POV.
It is written..."7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
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Yes and then there are levels of giving in to a sin. From entertaining the thought for a second to a minute to googling porn to fornication / once off adultery to continuous adultery to rape to pedophilia. Many levels between each instance and degrees of wickedness with each action.
Who gets into heaven when we have all sinned and continue to sin after being saved?
If ''you'' were the judge, jury and executioner, what would you suggest? Not unplausible with scripture like 1 Cor 11:31 and 1 Cor 6:2.
God gave us all a working brain to be used for this type of thing. Then, there is a reason a spiritual man / Christian who 'is' able to judge all things 1 Cor 2:15.
